The oil capacity has not changed. So the oil level in the oil tank has not changed. So the dipstick is correct as it has always been. Keep the oil level between min and max when hot. Seems simple enough to me.
What has changed is the initial fill amount after an oil change has been reduced so as not to risk an overfill. Because it is easier to add more oil than it is to suck the extra out.
The oil capacity has not changed. So the oil level in the oil tank has not changed. So the dipstick is correct as it has always been. Keep the oil level between min and max when hot. Seems simple enough to me.
What has changed is the initial fill amount after an oil change has been reduced so as not to risk an overfill. Because it is easier to add more oil than it is to suck the extra out.
Unlike the 998s the 1330s don't have a completely separate oil tank. The dry sump system in the engine is connected to an attached oil tank that is bolted to the engine block. Three scavenger pumps return oil to the tank from the very shallow engine sump beneath the crankshaft. By reducing the amount from 5.9 to 5.0 qt the level in the tank is changing, dropping to the Min mark on the dipstick. The dipstick reads the level in the tank so oil level on the stick shows lower although the capacity of the tank has not changed. It is my uneducated guess that the original larger quantity of oil recommended may have caused the scavenger pumps to work overtime to the detriment (alleged loss of power) of the engine trying to get that extra oil pumped into the tank when there wasn't enough room if the engine was overfilled when the recommended fill amount was 5.9 qt. http://parts.spyder.brp.com/Index.as..._id=1&siteid=1
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Unlike the 998s the 1330s don't have a completely separate oil tank. The dry sump system in the engine is using the transmission as the oil tank. Three scavenger pumps return oil to the transmission from the very shallow engine sump beneath the crankshaft. By reducing the amount from 5.9 to 5.0 qt the level in the transmission is changing, dropping to the Min mark on the dipstick. The dipstick reads the level in the transmission so oil level on the stick shows lower although the capacity of the transmission case has not changed. It is my uneducated guess that the original larger quantity of oil recommended may have caused the scavenger pumps to work overtime to the detriment (alleged loss of power) of the engine trying to get that extra oil pumped into the trans case when there wasn't enough room if the engine was overfilled when the recommended fill amount was 5.9 qt. http://parts.spyder.brp.com/Index.as..._id=1&siteid=1
Yes, I had read about power loss with being "too full" on oil with the 1330. Your comments make the most sense to me of everything else that I have read.....I'm keeping my oil just above the add line which is just a small amount more than the "official" 5 quart fill. I do the 5 quart fill each time I've changed the oil/filter (since the new info came out)....and it makes me worry a little when it's just at the add mark. Oh well, good discussion on the subject and I think your explanation helps the most so far.....thanks!
BTW - the 1330 has been AWESOME! Zero issues after 17,500 miles on my 2014 RT Limited - great machine!
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Unlike the 998s the 1330s don't have a completely separate oil tank. The dry sump system in the engine is connected to an attached oil tank that is bolted to the engine block. Three scavenger pumps return oil to the tank from the very shallow engine sump beneath the crankshaft. By reducing the amount from 5.9 to 5.0 qt the level in the tank is changing, dropping to the Min mark on the dipstick. The dipstick reads the level in the tank so oil level on the stick shows lower although the capacity of the tank has not changed. It is my uneducated guess that the original larger quantity of oil recommended may have caused the scavenger pumps to work overtime to the detriment (alleged loss of power) of the engine trying to get that extra oil pumped into the tank when there wasn't enough room if the engine was overfilled when the recommended fill amount was 5.9 qt. http://parts.spyder.brp.com/Index.as..._id=1&siteid=1
I am sorry but you give no reason not to believe BRP Care Steve. So that means you are incorrect IMHO. All that has changed is the initial fill amount and the dipstick is correct.
Gee Billy, maybe I've been playing with this too long and have my brain mushed up. I hope that in no way I gave any indication that I do not believe Steve. My initial correspondence to him pointed out the differences in the three operator's guides for the 1330 engine. As he said, the initial tech note to dealers in August '14 changed the required oil change fill amount for the SE6 engine to 5.0 qt. I accept his explanation that adherence to the change will eliminate the need to siphon out extra oil. If one puts in the 5 qt required amount the dipstick will read at the Min level. If one wants to add more than the required 5 qt that's their business.
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Every since Lamont published back in '14 that the fill amount had been REDUCED and was now 5 qts (at least thats the way I read it) for the SE6 thats exactly what I've been doing. Dump the oil, bike level or sometimes front jacked up 10 inches, toss in 5 quarts, run engine awhile, and the level covers the lower nob of the dipstick. Since it uses no oil, that level remains steady till I change it again.
Are you folks now saying you read the instructions from Steve to mean, put in 5 qts, ride it around a bit, then top it off up to the top nob, or at least half way?
If so, what amount are we talking about here....6-8 oz?
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Every since Lamont published back in '14 that the fill amount had been REDUCED and was now 5 qts (at least thats the way I read it) for the SE6 thats exactly what I've been doing. Dump the oil, bike level or sometimes front jacked up 10 inches, toss in 5 quarts, run engine awhile, and the level covers the lower nob of the dipstick. Since it uses no oil, that level remains steady till I change it again.
Are you folks now saying you read the instructions from Steve to mean, put in 5 qts, ride it around a bit, then top it off up to the top nob, or at least half way?
If so, what amount are we talking about here....6-8 oz?
The bottom line is with the engine oil at full temp and after the sumps have had a chance to return all the oil to the oil tank. If the oil is between min and max that's good. If it's below min. add some. Overfilling is very bad.
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