DESS Key code again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

It's a 2015 F3S - it's not under warranty - which doesn't concern me because I do my own work anyway. Sometimes the homework to find the answers is harder than others though.

I laugh every time someone posts "just email Lamonster Garage for the answer" because I have already - with ZERO response. Which I've experienced several times before. I'll find a different source to answer my questions.

I have posted dozens of Answers about the DESS issue over the years, and some of them to your questions ..... good luck .... Mike

[Jdr00ejr]

I have posted dozens of Answers about the DESS issue over the years, and some of them to your questions ..... good luck .... Mike

Mike - My response wasn't an attack on anyone here. Sorry if it came across that way. There's a wealth of knowledge in this thread (and others) and I've gleaned a ton form it - you replied to my questions above - but still left me with unanswered questions. I appreciate the input you did offer. I was just pointing out that many folks around here say just email Lamonster (not saying you said that) and the fact is, the few times I have, I've not gotten a response back from Lamonster. They have great products, and I may end up going out there for service (disable the DESS) - I'm just saying - I tried them - before asking here - and didn't get a response - which is why I asked here (a different source).

No ill intent meant. Have a great day!

[Deanna777]

It's a 2015 F3S - it's not under warranty - which doesn't concern me because I do my own work anyway. Sometimes the homework to find the answers is harder than others though.

I laugh every time someone posts "just email Lamonster Garage for the answer" because I have already - with ZERO response. Which I've experienced several times before. I'll find a different source to answer my questions.

HI Jdr00ejr:

Sorry for getting back to late "Life got in the way".

Sorry, Good luck finding your answers.

Deanna

[jcthorne]

Question 1: Where is the DESS physically located on a Spyder F3? Spent way too much time reading through this post and didn't that anywhere?
Question 2: Looks like Lamonster Garage at 500 miles is the closest to Indianapolis who can disable the DESS. Anyone else closer?
Question 3: Once it does it's complete failure - can you trailer the bike to someone to disable it - or do you need to get a good key read first to disable it?

DESS module is on the frame near the battery. Service manual will show you how to access.

i do not know of anyone closer to Indianapolis that Lamont or Spyderpops.

Yes, if the DESS fails completely, it can still be disabled as long as you have the physical key to unlock the ignition and apply power to the ECM and instruments.

[Jdr00ejr]

DESS module is on the frame near the battery. Service manual will show you how to access.

i do not know of anyone closer to Indianapolis that Lamont or Spyderpops.

Yes, if the DESS fails completely, it can still be disabled as long as you have the physical key to unlock the ignition and apply power to the ECM and instruments.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

[Deputy Dog]

I too have left 4 or 5 email messages at different times with LaMonster and have never received a response yet. Even called a couple times and left a phone message and didn't get a call back, but I have called other times and was able to talk to someone and place my order. I guess they are pretty busy, especially this time of year.

[Deanna777]

Bump

Deanna

[samewok]

Email Lamonster.com he may have your answers.

[Mikey]

If my ride had that problem ,It would be gutted out of my bike as fast as I could!! There always some one trying to reinventing the wheel and screwing it up with a flat side!!!!

[Deanna777]

Bump


This thread has a lot of excellent info.

As of today I haven't had the D.E.S.S issue.


Deanna

[PMK]

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[Deanna777]

Considering DESS is typically a 2014 to 2016 concern, but might occasionally affect other years, not likely owners will have the issues like in the past.

Since your DESS remains active, may be safer to not tempt Karma and discuss having no failures.

PMK,

Sorry I "Bumped this thread.

I wont bump this thread any more. Or I can/or have this thread closed!

Deanna

[PMK]

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[Deanna777]

Relax, I stated facts that DESS concerns is less applicable now than back then and you launch to close the topic. Entirely your call. Lot of drama over no big deal, take a breath and unwind.

PMK,

I am not closing this thread. Sorry!

I am going to let this thread run it's coarse.


Deanna

[Peter Aawen]

PMK,

Sorry I "Bumped this thread.

I wont bump this thread any more. Or I can/or have this thread closed!

Deanna

I wouldn't worry too much about closing the thread Deanna, this DESS thing does still come up every now and then, and probably will continue to do so until either every 2014-2016 Spyder ever made has had their DESS disabled; or BRP issues a voluntary recall to fix the problem at their expense And since I don't see the mob in that hot place down below looking to buy themselves ice skates anytime soon.... there's probably a valid reason to leave this thread active for some time to come!

Same with bumping it - it doesn't really hurt anyone to have the thread brought back to the top of the recent posts list every now and then, and who knows, it MIGHT actually help someone - just look at trikermutha's recent post some 9 months after your bump last year, and very likely only there as a result of your May this year bump reminding him the thread was here! So go ahead, bump away - just not weekly or even monthly please - not unless you've got something more to tell us! In fact, don't do it too often without actually adding something substantial please! Personally, I reckon a thread that's full of nothing more than pages on pages of 'bump' posts or similarly pointless 'empty posts' is actually worse than useless, cos all it does is tell readers the OP doesn't really care &/or have anything new to offer/tell us, but wants to stick it to us anyway - bleedin' worse than unsolicited 'cold callers' or junk mail/spam filling your inbox (or letter box, for those of us who still have them!) But if there's an update on how things stand now; or even just info on how many people have approached you about how you resolved your DESS problems or something/anything like that - it only hasta be a snippet of worth while info, then the knowledge base is still growing and you are very likely helping by bumping the thread and keeping us all up to date on the current state of play!

Over to you!

[Deanna777]

I wouldn't worry too much about closing the thread Deanna, this DESS thing does still come up every now and then, and probably will continue to do so until either every 2014-2016 Spyder ever made has had their DESS disabled; or BRP issues a voluntary recall to fix the problem at their expense And since I don't see the mob in that hot place down below looking to buy themselves ice skates anytime soon.... there's probably a valid reason to leave this thread active for some time to come!

Same with bumping it - it doesn't really hurt anyone to have the thread brought back to the top of the recent posts list every now and then, and who knows, it MIGHT actually help someone - just look at trikermutha's recent post some 9 months after your bump last year, and very likely only there as a result of your May this year bump reminding him the thread was here! So go ahead, bump away - just not weekly or even monthly please - not unless you've got something more to tell us! In fact, don't do it too often without actually adding something substantial please! Personally, I reckon a thread that's full of nothing more than pages on pages of 'bump' posts or similarly pointless 'empty posts' is actually worse than useless, cos all it does is tell readers the OP doesn't really care &/or have anything new to offer/tell us, but wants to stick it to us anyway - bleedin' worse than unsolicited 'cold callers' or junk mail/spam filling your inbox (or letter box, for those of us who still have them!) But if there's an update on how things stand now; or even just info on how many people have approached you about how you resolved your DESS problems or something/anything like that - it only hasta be a snippet of worth while info, then the knowledge base is still growing and you are very likely helping by bumping the thread and keeping us all up to date on the current state of play!

Over to you!

Peter Aawen,

I'll only bump this thread if I have any new info or once a month as a reminder to everyone.

I'll also keep this thread open.

Deanna

[trikermutha]

I recently replaced the antenna on mine since the module was replace twice. Last year the DESS key popped up again. So since the Spyder was down for something else it was time to change the antenna. Now if it happens again. It will be disabled thru buds.

[PMK]

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[trikermutha]

As long as there is still the 2014 _ 16 models on the road keep it open till it runs its course. Most cases the module takes care of the issue. In mine it did not . The bulletin says don't replace the ignition switch just the antenna if the module didn't take care of it. So that's what I did. I preferred to keep the security feature at this time.

[Deanna777]

As long as there is still the 2014 _ 16 models on the road keep it open till it runs its course. Most cases the module takes care of the issue. In mine it did not . The bulletin says don't replace the ignition switch just the antenna if the module didn't take care of it. So that's what I did. I preferred to keep the security feature at this time.

I'll keep this thread open.
Deanna

[Briorick]

As long as there is still the 2014 _ 16 models on the road keep it open till it runs its course. Most cases the module takes care of the issue. In mine it did not . The bulletin says don't replace the ignition switch just the antenna if the module didn't take care of it. So that's what I did. I preferred to keep the security feature at this time.

And appreciate the "Bump". I have the 2014 RTS. Bought it just recently, so don't know if DESS was ever an issue. Hopefully not jinxing myself, but appreciate the heads up just the same. As they say, Knowledge is power.....well, maybe I should have just kept quiet! Anyways, thanks for the Bump.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

And appreciate the "Bump". I have the 2014 RTS. Bought it just recently, so don't know if DESS was ever an issue. Hopefully not jinxing myself, but appreciate the heads up just the same. As they say, Knowledge is power.....well, maybe I should have just kept quiet! Anyways, thanks for the Bump.

Actually DESS wasn't an issue until some engineer decided to fix some thing that wasn't broken ..... and They managed to screw it up .... Mine failed in 2015 and was re-placed under warranty .... After I got back home ( from SpyderFest ) I moved the new DESS module ( which costs about $135.00 ) to a position under the right front headlight .... after clipping the wire ties the OEM cables would reach that far ... I was able to have the DESS dis-abled so now it isn't ever going to be an issue ... If you can take off the FRUNK, I recommend moving the module. After it's moved you now have very easy access if it ever fails ( 10 minutes in the dark without a flashlite in a rainstorm ) ..... Mike

[Briorick]

Actually DESS wasn't an issue until some engineer decided to fix some thing that wasn't broken ..... and They managed to screw it up .... Mine failed in 2015 and was re-placed under warranty .... After I got back home ( from SpyderFest ) I moved the new DESS module ( which costs about $135.00 ) to a position under the right front headlight .... after clipping the wire ties the OEM cables would reach that far ... I was able to have the DESS dis-abled so now it isn't ever going to be an issue ... If you can take off the FRUNK, I recommend moving the module. After it's moved you now have very easy access if it ever fails ( 10 minutes in the dark without a flashlite in a rainstorm ) ..... Mike

I recently watched a Youtube video from "It's Yours. OWN It" showing how he purchased BUDS with Megatech program to disable his DESS Module. He stated he had the dreaded DESS pop up twice. Pretty interesting, although he didn't show the actual Module itself where it was located.

So, I had commented to him with "Great video, but a little worrisome not knowing "when" you will encounter the DESS dilemma. I have the 2014 RTS as well. Is there a way of knowing if this module has already been updated? My curiosity is in full mode now.

His reply was ....."the location of the Module was behind the frunk, and also listed the "Updated part #710004916" and the "Original part #710004190". Also stated there is no programming that needs done, it is plug and play". So, someday I just may take the frunk off to cure my curiosity to see if indeed it had been replaced at some point.

Mike, I like your idea of relocating the Module to an easier access location. Great recommendation! Thanks

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

...... Mike, I like your idea of relocating the Module to an easier access location. Great recommendation! Thanks

Go to my Bio page and then to my Albums ... I have pics of the DESS module where it was and where I moved it to...... From what I've learnt from others and myself, the module rarely fails completely on the first incident..... it seems to be a progressive thing ... but once it happens you need to take action ASAP. The most difficult thing about removing the Frunk ( lots of video's on it ) .... is re-connecting the rubber Elbow for the air intake ( go to cheapcycleparts.com & look at the Fiche'.... it will show you all the parts and how they line up ) ..... None of the bolts you remove are actually "weight bearing" - what carries the weight are the metal hangers attached to the front upper frame ... the frunk has reliefs that go on those two hangers .... the upper two middle 10mm bolts don't have to be replaced ( mine aren't 40,000 mi. ) ... what the 10mm bolts do is to prevent any frunk movement that will allow it to come off the hangers so they arn't really stressed at all .... I agree if you have time move the DESS module like I did ... Now - because if it craps out it will only take you 10 min to fix if you have another module. ..... PS I wouldn't bother getting upset if you can't re-attach that Elbow ... it doesn't have to be AIR TIGHT and it's not likely to get any water into it if it isn't ... I removed the entire plastic Air intake and have a 3in. pipe into my airbox ( as seen in another album )..... good luck ... Mike PPS the mega-tech BUDS license is not cheap...

[Deanna777]

And appreciate the "Bump". I have the 2014 RTS. Bought it just recently, so don't know if DESS was ever an issue. Hopefully not jinxing myself, but appreciate the heads up just the same. As they say, Knowledge is power.....well, maybe I should have just kept quiet! Anyways, thanks for the Bump.

Biorick, You are Welcome, for the Bump on the thread.



Is there anyone around/or near you to disable the D.E.S.S in case you need to?

Deanna