Pineywoods36
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The Wife and I have been looking at Toy Haulers for us and the Spyder we were actually in Hershey PA today and saw a lot of real nice units, does anyone have one they would like to comment on to help us make our decision?
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Which Toy Hauler
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tehrlich
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I did a bunch of shopping around this year for a toy hauler. There are plenty of trailers, but I wanted a Class A or C type RV.
I looked at a number of the Thor Outlaws. Their layouts are amazing! One of them had 3 queen beds! One was over the garage and in it's own little bunk house! The garages are very big.
We saw one in use at a Harley Rally. Very impressive, but I kept looking because I wanted a diesel engine, not the Ford V10 gas engine. I also was disappointed with the quality of finish out of the inside of the units. Everything looked very nice, but it was cheap. I looked at a unit that only had about 35K miles on it and the inside did not hold up well to its use.
We ended up getting a 2008 Jayco Seneca ZX. It is perfect for us: big diesel engine (Chevy Duramax 5500,) has a lift-gate rather than a typical ramp, and the build quality is vastly better than the Thor units. Being 8 years old and 36K miles, the interior looked brand new. It is a beast of an engine and should last for many years. They quit making the toy hauler version in 2008.
I looked at a number of the Thor Outlaws. Their layouts are amazing! One of them had 3 queen beds! One was over the garage and in it's own little bunk house! The garages are very big.
We saw one in use at a Harley Rally. Very impressive, but I kept looking because I wanted a diesel engine, not the Ford V10 gas engine. I also was disappointed with the quality of finish out of the inside of the units. Everything looked very nice, but it was cheap. I looked at a unit that only had about 35K miles on it and the inside did not hold up well to its use.
We ended up getting a 2008 Jayco Seneca ZX. It is perfect for us: big diesel engine (Chevy Duramax 5500,) has a lift-gate rather than a typical ramp, and the build quality is vastly better than the Thor units. Being 8 years old and 36K miles, the interior looked brand new. It is a beast of an engine and should last for many years. They quit making the toy hauler version in 2008.
jaherbst
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I am on my second Work and Play Toy Hauler by Forrest River. Been very happy with them both. Hauling Spyder, UTV or Motorcycles. Nice interiors with all the amenities and generator.
Also lower than most Toy Haulers and makes for easier loading with a lower ramp angle so Spyder does not "high center" or get caught.
2017 25WAP (30 feet) Ford F150 ecoboost twin turbo with airbags. Trailer MSRP is about $29,000 as
equipped. Large generator, ducted A/C and heat. Nice roomy front separate bedroom with two electric
"Happy Jack" beds in the rear.
Jack
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MisterP
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I bought a Fleetwood toy hauler at Hershey a few years ago from the local dealer there. We had very poor service from the dealer and very poor quality of the delivered unit. Had to file complaints with the PA Attorney General to get the dealer to repair a structural defect they denied existed, until multiple units showed up with the same problems.
PrairieSpyder
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is your advice secret? How about sharing it with the rest of us?:dontknow:
rnet
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No secret, but depending on what they answer comes the next Question. Some may prefer a motor coach and tow a trailer, some would prefer a motor coach that can also drive there toy on, Some prefer fifth wheels, here you have more options, when you set up, your tow vehicle is able drive away. Some prefer something smaller, say a tow hauler tow behind. Towing trailers depend allot on the truck capabilities. Some only want cargo trailers that have no living quarters. Most depend on what they can afford. They can cost anywhere from $12,000 and up over $500,000 and up, for anything that has living quarters and space for there toy. Don't always think your getting a great deal, cause there are always better deals somewhere, but you might have to take a road trip.
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Pineywoods36
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We will catch up with you was a good experiance going to the show and seeing all the differnt options, not buying until maybe next year so have time to research and figure out whats best.
DR Buck
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We have a 36 ft Dutchmen Voltage 3200 that we got to haul the Spyder. It's the smallest of the Voltage models. It works well and we like it. I think your choice will be based on what you are looking for as part of the package, your cost range and the most important, towing limits. Do not overlook towing capabilities. Toy haulers are HEAVY. I replaced my single rear wheel F350 after we bought the Voltage. The Voltage empty weight was the top limit for the F350 to pull. :yikes: I now have an F450 dually.
Frank G
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We chose a Forest River Vengeance 29V. It is working out great for us. Replaced the dinenet with a powered loveseat for greater comfort. Heading to Florida this winter for an extended stay.
The Spyder is a tight fit front to back but plenty of width for easy loading and unloading. New cost about 26k. You will need a tow vehicle with at least 19000 Lb Combined weight rating, Loaded truck and Loaded Trailer. That's 7000 lbs for the truck and 12000 lbs for the trailer.
jaherbst, who posted earlier, is a fan of the work and play series. They are a much heavier built unit with less frills. So many choices, find one that works for you.
Your tow vehicle is the key, unless you are willing to spring for a new one. I got cought in that trap and had to spring for a new to me tow vehicle (F-250 superduty 6.2 gas) after buying the Vengeance and had no way to tow it home.:gaah:
The Spyder is a tight fit front to back but plenty of width for easy loading and unloading. New cost about 26k. You will need a tow vehicle with at least 19000 Lb Combined weight rating, Loaded truck and Loaded Trailer. That's 7000 lbs for the truck and 12000 lbs for the trailer.
jaherbst, who posted earlier, is a fan of the work and play series. They are a much heavier built unit with less frills. So many choices, find one that works for you.
Your tow vehicle is the key, unless you are willing to spring for a new one. I got cought in that trap and had to spring for a new to me tow vehicle (F-250 superduty 6.2 gas) after buying the Vengeance and had no way to tow it home.:gaah:
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WA5VHU
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Be very careful what you think or someone else says about a "truck (or any vehicle) that can pull anything". A Toyota pickup towed the Space Shuttle across a bridge but that doesn't mean it could, or you should, tow it across the country. Yep, any pickup can indeed "pull" anything! But can it actually safely "tow" it? There is a lot to towing, including quick or even emergency turns and stops without the trailer rolling over you.
We had our toy hauler before we had any motorcycles. I was working as a contractor around the country and we sold the house and lived in the trailer full-time. I wanted a toy hauler so I would have a garage with a workbench and we enjoyed living full-time in the trailer but it had its compact living challenges!
Shortly after getting the trailer we towed it from Erie, PA to Dallas, TX, with our Dodge 3500 dually with the Cummings diesel engine. It was a great pickup but it became obvious that it was not up to the task of towing our 14,000 lb. trailer that actually weighed 22,000 lbs. with our "stuff" in it and there's no way our "stuff" weighed 8,000 lbs.
Never never ever ever believe the published weights of any RV.
Never!
We opted for a larger truck, a Volvo 770 with dual bunks, registered as a motor-home. You can find these used for pretty good prices and ours had an autoshift transmission in it. As being non-commercial, a CDL was not required. And it really did pull the trailer almost like it wasn't there and it was a dream to drive with or without the trailer!
HDT forum: http://www.rvnetwork.com/index.php?showforum=32
We had our toy hauler before we had any motorcycles. I was working as a contractor around the country and we sold the house and lived in the trailer full-time. I wanted a toy hauler so I would have a garage with a workbench and we enjoyed living full-time in the trailer but it had its compact living challenges!
Shortly after getting the trailer we towed it from Erie, PA to Dallas, TX, with our Dodge 3500 dually with the Cummings diesel engine. It was a great pickup but it became obvious that it was not up to the task of towing our 14,000 lb. trailer that actually weighed 22,000 lbs. with our "stuff" in it and there's no way our "stuff" weighed 8,000 lbs.
Never never ever ever believe the published weights of any RV.
Never!
We opted for a larger truck, a Volvo 770 with dual bunks, registered as a motor-home. You can find these used for pretty good prices and ours had an autoshift transmission in it. As being non-commercial, a CDL was not required. And it really did pull the trailer almost like it wasn't there and it was a dream to drive with or without the trailer!
HDT forum: http://www.rvnetwork.com/index.php?showforum=32
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Pineywoods36
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I am big on researching everything before making any moves and did find all 3500 class pickups dually or not would not be adequate for most of the larger haulers. I have poked around looking at the 5500 class as well as single rear axle tractors. thanks for the advice travel safe.
ingramsail
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Not every toyhauler has to be 36+ft, we have traveled over 12000 miles with this 19ft trailer.
WackyDan
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We had a 22' Continental Cargo Toy Hauler (Forest River Division). It wasn't the most comfy, but it had all the trimmings.
As many have said, the posted weight of the trailers tend to be understated. Ours was about 2000# understated. Towed it with an F-150 5.0 V8.... And while the truck did fine taking our time, we could have used either the ecoboot motor or more truck.
So I think the first thing you need to calculate is how much truck you currently have versus how much you will need.
As many have said, the posted weight of the trailers tend to be understated. Ours was about 2000# understated. Towed it with an F-150 5.0 V8.... And while the truck did fine taking our time, we could have used either the ecoboot motor or more truck.
So I think the first thing you need to calculate is how much truck you currently have versus how much you will need.
jaherbst
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Pretty sure you would not be able to get in and out of most RV Parks with this "rig". Boy it sure would be fun to drive. I see others like this on the road but I have owned 9 RV's. The largest a 42 foot diesel pusher with a double decker motorsport trailer. Just too hard to maintain. It becomes a full time job. Nothing beats a big rig over the road though when you want to get somewhere.
Jack
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