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Does this Belt Tensioner Idler Stabilizer Roller look familiar? Are any parts (Rollers) interchangeable??

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Troop, I just looked this up and of course AI provided this info. With that being said, Amazon said that Holigie IS the mfgr. I couldn't find any info on Holigie as a company. But I would't buy it. As a matter of fact I think I have a Lamonster garage one of these in my shed.

Holigie is a private-label storefront brand primarily found on major e-commerce platforms like Amazon, Ubuy, and Desertcart. They do not operate an independent corporate headquarters; rather, they function as a distributor/reseller of various imported, mass-produced tools, accessories, and household goods.
 
Bangorbob said:
Troop, I just looked this up and of course AI provided this info. With that being said, Amazon said that Holigie IS the mfgr. I couldn't find any info on Holigie as a company. But I would't buy it. As a matter of fact I think I have a Lamonster garage one of these in my shed.

Holigie is a private-label storefront brand primarily found on major e-commerce platforms like Amazon, Ubuy, and Desertcart. They do not operate an independent corporate headquarters; rather, they function as a distributor/reseller of various imported, mass-produced tools, accessories, and household goods.
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No doubt a Chinese knockoff. I have the Lamonster on mine.89114fc3-cbad-4369-afed-26a9767204db.jpg
 
Interesting when you do a little reasearch on products what you acutally find out. I read an article about sellling sites as to who distributes/mfgr products. I'm sure sellers like Lamonster and Baja Ron could if they wanted to have their stuff made off shore and make a killing. But to me they are honest people.
 
Ron, glad you are on top of this stuff. I just hope people don't go cheap. I saw a tow bar on facebook for sale $20. Ask who the mfg was. Some off the wall company brand. Of course I did not buy. Again, thanks to all for making sure we are safe.
 
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The Chinese are masters of ripping off a design & making it look 99% the same while using extremely inferior materials and manufacturing to save money. They've been doing business that way for 100's of years.
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I work for a North American Equipment Manufacturer. At Trade Shows they would come into our booth and take pictures of our machines and then have the balls to ask about certain parts. I would ask them to leave.They are great at copying others development.
 
Dakotaz said:
I work for a North American Equipment Manufacturer. At Trade Shows they would come into our booth and take pictures of our machines and then have the balls to ask about certain parts. I would ask them to leave.They are great at copying others development.
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R&D is expensive with no initial return on investment. It's all out of pocket expense. Then you have to develop a market for the product. Once you've done all of this, then you begin reaping profit which eventually overtakes the expense of development and you're in the green. The Chinese circumvent all of this, going right to the profit stage.

But the only way this works is if we buy the Chinese product. Which we do. In the end, the consumer is the reason the Chinese approach works so well.

When I used to fish tuna off the coast of San Diego, seals employed this same method. They would lounge near the boat and wait for us to catch and wear down the tuna. When we got the fish near the boat, the seals would simply swim up and bite off the tuna just behind the head. We'd reel in the worthless head, and the seals would get the meat. Worked out great for them.
 
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China is an interesting place. On the one hand Chinese companies rip off technology from the US and the EU to make cheap copies.

On the other hand there are Chinese companies producing home grown state of the art technologies that are world class in their own right.

The former I think are due to an almost total lack of copyright and patent enforcement by the Chinese government. This leads to a Wild West in terms of copying and production of sub par products of dubious quality. You can outsource parts manufactured to the highest quality in China.

On the other hand, China is capable of producing innovative and high-quality products that are world class. This originates from a large number of highly educated people with an entrepreneurial spirit second to none. You only have to look at the field of optical engineering.

All the time importers can make money from the flood of cheap copies and people are willing to buy the cheapest thing they can find the harder it is to prevent substandard imports.
 
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R&D is expensive with no initial return on investment. It's all out of pocket expense. Then you have to develop a market for the product. Once you've done all of this, then you begin reaping profit which eventually overtakes the expense of development and you're in the green. The Chinese circumvent all of this, going right to the profit stage.

But the only way this works is if we buy the Chinese product. Which we do. In the end, the consumer is the reason the Chinese approach works so well.

When I used to fish tuna off the coast of San Diego, seals employed this same method. They would lounge near the boat and wait for us to catch and wear down the tuna. When we got the fish near the boat, the seals would simply swim up and bite off the tuna just behind the head. We'd reel in the worthless head, and the seals would get the meat. Worked out great for them.
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The result is most people not fishing! Everyone either pays through the nose for the tuna you do actually catch; does without the tuna; or settles for eating just the head?
 
Even the Chinese government realizes they have to go up the value chain and produce original product. Continuing to produce low cost items ripped off from both Chinese and foreign manufacturers is keeping the Chinese economy from stalling.

The problem for them is how do they force this change? Millions of Chinese citizens rely on a low cost manufacturing jobs for their survival, especially as the Chinese population has migrated from agricultural rural living to industrial jobs in the urban areas.

There is the conflict between the CCP who have realized the changes that must be made and local governments who depend upon cheap manufacturing to keep their citizens employed. Chinese politics are surprisingly complex. There is also the factor of extensive corruption at the regional government level which resists the change the CCP would sometimes like to enforce.

Having been to China and Hong Kong since 1984 I have seen unbelievable changes in the industrialization of their society. But the country is complex in it's makeup, varying from world beating technology and manufacturing capabilities to the poorest levels of mass production, stolen technology, and the mistreatment of its poorest workers.

It's a complex country with huge regional differences in capabilities and adherence to regulations.
 
Will the Lamont roller replacement fit the late model OEM arm? I've got 39K on the OEM, it is still aligned perfectly, the roller feels good to me, but I'd feel more comfortable if I could replace only the roller. To me, that would be a lot easier than replacing the whole arm.

www.lamonstergarage.com

Lamonster® Belt Tensioner Roller Replacement

This is a replacement roller for the Lamonster® LG-1165-RT / LG-1165-F3 belt tensioner.
www.lamonstergarage.com www.lamonstergarage.com
 
I've got 39K on my OEM belt Tensioner and would like to replace the roller even though I can not feel any play/wear on it. I believe I would be much easier for me to change only the roller instead of the entire arm. I've done one before, so I know what is involved.
 
ulflyer said:
Will the Lamont roller replacement fit the late model OEM arm? I've got 39K on the OEM, it is still aligned perfectly, the roller feels good to me, but I'd feel more comfortable if I could replace only the roller. To me, that would be a lot easier than replacing the whole arm.

www.lamonstergarage.com

Lamonster® Belt Tensioner Roller Replacement

This is a replacement roller for the Lamonster® LG-1165-RT / LG-1165-F3 belt tensioner.
www.lamonstergarage.com www.lamonstergarage.com
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There has been more than one OEM arm snap, being a plastic piece of crap, so if you think you need the unit, I would save up and get one from Lamont, arm and roller together in one happy package!! Or maybe try to take it off and see if you can live without it, that's what I am planning on doing! I didn't have one on my 2012 and I believe I can live without one on my 2025.
 
troop said:
No shame in knock offs :(

Amazon.com: Belt Tensioner Roller, Aluminum Alloy Idler for Spyder F3 RT 2014-2024 | Dual bearing design. 20,000+ mile lifespan. Eliminates harmonic belt vibration. Includes washers & screws. : Industrial & Scientific

Amazon.com: Belt Tensioner Roller, Aluminum Alloy Idler for Spyder F3 RT 2014-2024 | Dual bearing design. 20,000+ mile lifespan. Eliminates harmonic belt vibration. Includes washers & screws. : Industrial & Scientific
www.amazon.com
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Like most items in life, you get what you pay for.

Go with the one from Lamonster. It "should" last about 15,000 miles before the roller needs to be replaced.
 
Appreciate the advice but still want to know if the Lamont roller will fit the OEM arm. I've sent two emails to the Lamont vendor but have yet to get a reply.
 
ulflyer said:
Appreciate the advice but still want to know if the Lamont roller will fit the OEM arm. I've sent two emails to the Lamont vendor but have yet to get a reply.
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I think they might be a bit swamped with drop ins and the proprietor unfortunately has significant health issues. You might want to give them a call during mid week perhaps earlier in the day. I’ve had good experiences when purchasing online.

I know it is described as a belt tensioner, but it really just takes up the belt vibrations, the belt tension is actually set like a motorcycle at the rear of the swing arm. It takes up the slack between under power and on the overrun as well as the harmonics at certain speeds.

Me personally would do as advised above and change the whole assembly as it works better at damping the harmonic vibration at certain constant speeds, something the bearing alone won’t do for you. It’s like changing the drag links without changing the sway bar, the effect is far from the whole possible outcome.
 
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