My Ryker has recently thrown 2 codes, C006C, C0063... I'm currently waiting on my BUDS2 kit, and looking into probably replacing the Yaw Sensor? But while looking at the process of resetting the new Yaw Sensor, it mentions locking the steering. I can't find the tool. Anyone either have a source or a DIY set up? thanks.
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Codes C006C & C0063 - Anyone have a source for a Ryker Rally Steering Lock Tool? Or a DIY alternative?
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DickB
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It may be the yaw rate sensor, it may be the Steering Angle Sensor (SAS). You may need the Steering Update Kit called out in this Service Bulletin:
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2020/MC-10181946-0001.pdf
The issue is that the SAS and yaw sensor readings do not agree. The SAS says you are pointing straight ahead, and yaw says you are turning, or vice versa. This will often point to a yaw rate sensor problem, but in fact it may be the SAS at fault.
In my case, to fix it I needed both the Steering Update Kit, to prevent the loose connection between the SAS and Pittman pivot; and a replacement SAS, as mine was not giving consistent settings. BTW I got a used SAS, way less expensive, and it worked fine.
You don't really need the locking tool. There is a procedure in the service manual for resetting the SAS without it, basically rolling the Ryker forward and backward to get it pointing straight ahead, then resetting SAS and yaw rate sensor. It worked for me. I did not get the error codes, but had the left turn wobble issue, and this fixed it.
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2020/MC-10181946-0001.pdf
The issue is that the SAS and yaw sensor readings do not agree. The SAS says you are pointing straight ahead, and yaw says you are turning, or vice versa. This will often point to a yaw rate sensor problem, but in fact it may be the SAS at fault.
In my case, to fix it I needed both the Steering Update Kit, to prevent the loose connection between the SAS and Pittman pivot; and a replacement SAS, as mine was not giving consistent settings. BTW I got a used SAS, way less expensive, and it worked fine.
You don't really need the locking tool. There is a procedure in the service manual for resetting the SAS without it, basically rolling the Ryker forward and backward to get it pointing straight ahead, then resetting SAS and yaw rate sensor. It worked for me. I did not get the error codes, but had the left turn wobble issue, and this fixed it.
Thanks, I was keeping my fingers xd for the yaw sensor, it's cheaper. But while waiting on my BUDS2 kit, I've been going over the steering and suspension. I'm not getting any wiggles on anything there, so, I'll wait for my BUDS2. I'm guessing the BUDS2 will read the sensors so that I can have a pretty good idea of which one is off? And thanks for the heads up on the SAS roll reset. That stupid tool seems to be hard to find.
DickB
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You'll not be able to tell if you need the Steering Update Kit by wiggling. The Service Bulletin explains the issue.
In my case, I could tell the SAS was bad because I would rezero it, ride, and then find that it was off by 4-5 degrees. I'm not sure that you can tell anything from the yaw rate sensor reading.
In my case, I could tell the SAS was bad because I would rezero it, ride, and then find that it was off by 4-5 degrees. I'm not sure that you can tell anything from the yaw rate sensor reading.
DickB
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If you want the tool:
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OK, got my BUDS2 setup, plugged it into my Ryker. For anyone who was slightly confused as I was, plug the Ryker in while it's off, go through the start up process without hitting the brake pedal, that includes the DSS key. Start BUDS2 on the computer. It will then read through the system. My Ryker had stored faults from a previous issue with low battery voltage, which I cured by replacing the battery. I saved all of that to a file in BUDS2, then cleared the old faults. That left the Yaw Rate Sensor fault. I disconnected the battery for 30 minutes (side note, I have a few mods on, one was heated grips - I disconnected all of that as well.) I'll share my file from the system faults later when I'm actually on my computer.
After the battery was dc'd for 30 minutes, I reconnected and the main screen on the Ryker showed no VSS faults. I drove it around the block, no issues. Tomorrow, I'll try to ride it longer.
Concerns, I may (?) have ridden the brake during a ride, but I don't believe so? Also, recently I did almost get myself stuck on a loose gravel road near the river. I did have to get off the bike and push while throttling out, maybe I tripped something then? That was several days before the VSS fault occurred, but maybe? Also, I have modified the bike for adventure, I've got the Slingmods saddle boxes and the luggage box; I routinely carry a cooler; inflatable sup and air pump; but all of it is less that 50lbs. The code that remained was the Yaw Rate Sensor fault. All the rest cleared immediately. So, tomorrow I'll ride, we shall see if I throw a code. the SAS was +1.5 with the Steering locked; I believe that is within range.
After the battery was dc'd for 30 minutes, I reconnected and the main screen on the Ryker showed no VSS faults. I drove it around the block, no issues. Tomorrow, I'll try to ride it longer.
Concerns, I may (?) have ridden the brake during a ride, but I don't believe so? Also, recently I did almost get myself stuck on a loose gravel road near the river. I did have to get off the bike and push while throttling out, maybe I tripped something then? That was several days before the VSS fault occurred, but maybe? Also, I have modified the bike for adventure, I've got the Slingmods saddle boxes and the luggage box; I routinely carry a cooler; inflatable sup and air pump; but all of it is less that 50lbs. The code that remained was the Yaw Rate Sensor fault. All the rest cleared immediately. So, tomorrow I'll ride, we shall see if I throw a code. the SAS was +1.5 with the Steering locked; I believe that is within range.
DickB
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Did you check steering alignment for straight by rolling forward and backward with the steering locked? That is important.
I find no spec on SAS angle tolerance, but you don't move the handlebars much for highway curves - the SAS is sensitive. With it rolling straight I would reset the SAS. If SAS and yaw don't agree, the yaw sensor may be blamed but the culprit could be the SAS.
There is a specific code for riding the brake, so you should be able to confirm or rule out that as an issue.
BTW what year is your Ryker?
I find no spec on SAS angle tolerance, but you don't move the handlebars much for highway curves - the SAS is sensitive. With it rolling straight I would reset the SAS. If SAS and yaw don't agree, the yaw sensor may be blamed but the culprit could be the SAS.
There is a specific code for riding the brake, so you should be able to confirm or rule out that as an issue.
BTW what year is your Ryker?
Sorry. I've been out riding while the weather is nice. I've ridden for well over 100 miles, and until today, no issues. Today I noticed what seems like the brakes engaging on right turns? At around 30-35 mph, I was in ECO mode, switched to Rally mode, and didn't notice the issue on right turns. I'm also hearing a weird whine/whistle? from the fuel pump. All that said, I'm gonna hook the computer up and see if any info is present.
It is a 2022, with now 15k miles on it.
And I did not roll it.
DickB
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Have you installed the steering update kit? Check the SAS, I'm betting it's off.
I had a noisy fuel pump = this fixed it: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2020/MC-10177426-0001.pdf
I had a noisy fuel pump = this fixed it: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2020/MC-10177426-0001.pdf
I have not, I wanted to zero it and see if faults would reoccur.
I was looking at data today, no new faults. I did install the steering lock tool, and roll the Ryker back and forth a few times. I reset the SAS, the right turn issue was not there in ECO mode, I took it on several wavy roads to mimic the previous sensations in the turn. nothing.
The whining sound from the fuel pump wasn't there, I suspect it's possibly related to temp? Also, if it happens again, is it just an annoyance? Or is it indicative of an issue that needs to be addressed with the shim?
My computer skills are defeating my ability to post a screen shot of the previous faults, so I'm gonna go old school and type them out.
ECM faults - active: C006C: VCM error
occurred: P0504: brake signal not plausible.
" " : P0556: brake pressure on CAN not valid.
" " : P062C: vehicle speed message on CAN not plausible.
VCM faults - active: C0063: Yaw rate sensor failure. env. data low volts - false
monitor ID: 18
#of occurrence of fault with any monitoring ID-0
# of power cycles since fault-18
pillion rider switch - false
pillion rider switch - false
TCS off - false, TCS control - false
veh. spd - 65.25 km/h
VSS control - false.
ECM faults - active: C006C: VCM error
occurred: P0504: brake signal not plausible.
" " : P0556: brake pressure on CAN not valid.
" " : P062C: vehicle speed message on CAN not plausible.
VCM faults - active: C0063: Yaw rate sensor failure. env. data low volts - false
monitor ID: 18
#of occurrence of fault with any monitoring ID-0
# of power cycles since fault-18
pillion rider switch - false
pillion rider switch - false
TCS off - false, TCS control - false
veh. spd - 65.25 km/h
VSS control - false.
So, in ECO mode after about 30 minutes of running; right turn on large clover leaf entry; I felt the left front brake pulsing; speed was about 35 mph; switched to Rally mode, sensation gone. Is it just normal TCS I'm feeling?
Fuel pump whine, occurs after about 40 minutes or running. I refueled on the return, it's not low fuel, but I'm also not concerned just yet.
Fuel pump whine, occurs after about 40 minutes or running. I refueled on the return, it's not low fuel, but I'm also not concerned just yet.
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