F3 28K SERVICE

[SPYD3R]

just spoke with the Service Manager at my dealers about the F3, 28,000 miles maintenance schedule...
he stated it runs between $450 & $500 for the SE6... :gaah:

the service calls for replacement of: Fuel Filter, Canister Pre-Filter, Coolant & Spark Plugs (3), and checking of the front suspension rubber bushings...

has anyone had this service performed on your F3 yet...? and what were the results...?

as for the Spark Plugs, 28K miles doesn't sound right... todays plugs should last 100,000 miles @ the very least... any suggestions as to a 'replacement plug' to be used, would be helpful... :dontknow:

DAN
SPYD3R

 

[_..stiffler..]

Do you have a service manual?

Shouldn't be hard to do yourself if you are a bit mechanically inclined.

I only have 11000km on mine so I have a while to go.



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[SPYD3R]

I CAN

Do you have a service manual?

Shouldn't be hard to do yourself if you are a bit mechanically inclined.

I only have 11000km on mine so I have a while to go.



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YES i have the Service Manual, and YES, i can do it myself, and most likely will...
however, i was just asking questions, and looking for opinions on SPARK PLUGS.... if anyone is using something other than OEM plugs...
SPYD3R

 

[Trbayth]

YES i have the Service Manual, and YES, i can do it myself, and most likely will...
however, i was just asking questions, and looking for opinions on SPARK PLUGS.... if anyone is using something other than OEM plugs...
SPYD3R

Talk to BajaRon about plugs (and wires.)

 

[_..stiffler..]

YES i have the Service Manual, and YES, i can do it myself, and most likely will...
however, i was just asking questions, and looking for opinions on SPARK PLUGS.... if anyone is using something other than OEM plugs...
SPYD3R

Sounds good. Not sure on plugs.

Just wanted to know if you had service manual. Cause if not I was going to tell you I could send you a digital copy to help you out and save you some cash at the stealer.

Stiff

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[SPYD3R]

thx

Sounds good. Not sure on plugs.

Just wanted to know if you had service manual. Cause if not I was going to tell you I could send you a digital copy to help you out and save you some cash at the stealer.

Stiff

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THANK YOU for the offer....
that's what i like about this website... people are always willing to help out.... :thumbup:
SPYD3R

 

[pjweimer]

Same question RE 2014 RTL

While digging around for information regarding iridium spark plugs I found this on the NGK site (https://www.ngk.com/learning-center/article/202/how-long-do-iridium-plugs-last):

A traditional IX iridium plug such as NGK ZFR6FIX-11 has an iridium Center Electrode, however the ground electrode is a traditional nickel construction. Therefore, the ground electrode will wear out first. NGK gives them a life expectancy of 40-50k miles. But they have to temper their projections as driving conditions and motor modifications differ. Typically we have found you can expect 60,000 to 80,000 miles on an unaltered motor.
NGK Laser Iridium plugs have iridium center and a Platinum ground electrodes. If installed in a regular engine, they would likely last longer than most people keep their car (barring any motor problems that can cause premature plug death). All Laser Iridium plugs are an OEM design, made for a specific engine. Some feature a special resistor or electrode design, depending on the OE requirements. In their OE application, NGK's Laser Iridium plugs typically last 80-100k miles.

Now these comments do not specify the type of engine, motorcycle, automotive, ATV, etc.

[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]I also talked briefly with Ron (Baharon) and, while he claimed to be no expert on life expectancy of iridium plugs, he did say that he believes that the plugs seem to have a shorter life in motorcycle engines versus automotive engines.

So while 28,000 miles sure seems brief, I guess I will go ahead and change them out. I am at 28,000 on our 2014 RTL and getting ready to do the tasks myself.[/FONT]

 

[SPYD3R]

RPM'S

While digging around for information regarding iridium spark plugs I found this on the NGK site (https://www.ngk.com/learning-center/article/202/how-long-do-iridium-plugs-last):

A traditional IX iridium plug such as NGK ZFR6FIX-11 has an iridium Center Electrode, however the ground electrode is a traditional nickel construction. Therefore, the ground electrode will wear out first. NGK gives them a life expectancy of 40-50k miles. But they have to temper their projections as driving conditions and motor modifications differ. Typically we have found you can expect 60,000 to 80,000 miles on an unaltered motor.
NGK Laser Iridium plugs have iridium center and a Platinum ground electrodes. If installed in a regular engine, they would likely last longer than most people keep their car (barring any motor problems that can cause premature plug death). All Laser Iridium plugs are an OEM design, made for a specific engine. Some feature a special resistor or electrode design, depending on the OE requirements. In their OE application, NGK's Laser Iridium plugs typically last 80-100k miles.

Now these comments do not specify the type of engine, motorcycle, automotive, ATV, etc.

I also talked briefly with Ron (Baharon) and, while he claimed to be no expert on life expectancy of iridium plugs, he did say that he believes that the plugs seem to have a shorter life in motorcycle engines versus automotive engines.

So while 28,000 miles sure seems brief, I guess I will go ahead and change them out. I am at 28,000 on our 2014 RTL and getting ready to do the tasks myself.

Ron is most likely correct in his belief that plugs don't last as long in motorcycles... reason being, motorcycles tend to run at higher RPM's that cars... at 80 mph in my 5.7 TUNDRA i'm turning 2100 rpm;s, versus around 6000 on my F3... BIG difference...
Dan P
SPYD3R

 

[Tazzel]

Shop around for your service at Spyder Dealerships. I am getting my 9300 mile service tomorrow and when calling Spyder Dealerships in the area, this service ranged from 230.00 to 450.00 depending on the dealership.

 

[SPYD3R]

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Shop around for your service at Spyder Dealerships. I am getting my 9300 mile service tomorrow and when calling Spyder Dealerships in the area, this service ranged from 230.00 to 450.00 depending on the dealership.

TAZZ;
BIG difference between the 9300 mile service and the 28,000 mile service...
just the spark plugs and gas filter alone constitutes an hour + time to pull all the Tuperware off... consider that service is $109 per hr, not to mention the cost of those parts... also, a 28K service requires changing the anti-freeze, trans filter and check frt bushings...
your service should run about $150 or so... good luck, and enjoy riding...
Dan P
SPYD3R

 

[pjweimer]

TAZZ;
BIG difference between the 9300 mile service and the 28,000 mile service...
just the spark plugs and gas filter alone constitutes an hour + time to pull all the Tuperware off... consider that service is $109 per hr, not to mention the cost of those parts... also, a 28K service requires changing the anti-freeze, trans filter and check frt bushings...
your service should run about $150 or so... good luck, and enjoy riding...
Dan P
SPYD3R

Just returned from dealer. Parts for 28,000 mile service... HCM oil filter and cover, $104.99, pre-canister filter, $33.99 and 3 spark plugs, $21.22 plus govenors fees = $217.83!

 

[SPYD3R]

ALL TO KNOW

I JUST GOT OFF THE HORN WITH 'RICKY' AT THE 'E3' SPARK PLUG COMPANY... http://e3sparkplugs.com

RICKY SAYS THAT THEIR 'E3.38' http://shop.e3sparkplugs.com/powersports-spark-plugs/e3.38-spark-plug/ IS THEIR DIRECT REPLACEMENT PLUG FOR THE 'NGK MR7BI-8' PLUG THAT BRP HAS INSTALLED IN OUR 1330's.....
ANY OTHER SUGGESTED PLUGS OUT THERE....????
DAN P
SPYD3R

 

[Capt. Bob]

I JUST GOT OFF THE HORN WITH 'RICKY' AT THE 'E3' SPARK PLUG COMPANY... http://e3sparkplugs.com

RICKY SAYS THAT THEIR 'E3.38' http://shop.e3sparkplugs.com/powersports-spark-plugs/e3.38-spark-plug/ IS THEIR DIRECT REPLACEMENT PLUG FOR THE 'NGK MR7BI-8' PLUG THAT BRP HAS INSTALLED IN OUR 1330's.....
ANY OTHER SUGGESTED PLUGS OUT THERE....????
DAN P
SPYD3R

SPYDER3R, In the Harley-Davidson shop manual I have for my new-to-me 2005 Road King, it specifically states to replace spark plugs with the exact factory spec'd plugs that Harley first built the bike with. Their logic is that the engineers did all of their heat/performance testing with a specific plug and that any deviations from that exact plug may lead to potential problems. I think that their admonition is not based on profit issues but on reproducibility of engine/performance parameters. IMHO, I would stick with the exact sparkplugs that the BRP engineers decided to use and test all of our 1330 engines with in coming up with what they decided to market. I suspect that there is not much to be gained by using any other plugs but what the manufacturer made the bike with? Just saying...

 

[SPYD3R]

hear ya

SPYDER3R, In the Harley-Davidson shop manual I have for my new-to-me 2005 Road King, it specifically states to replace spark plugs with the exact factory spec'd plugs that Harley first built the bike with. Their logic is that the engineers did all of their heat/performance testing with a specific plug and that any deviations from that exact plug may lead to potential problems. I think that their admonition is not based on profit issues but on reproducibility of engine/performance parameters. IMHO, I would stick with the exact sparkplugs that the BRP engineers decided to use and test all of our 1330 engines with in coming up with what they decided to market. I suspect that there is not much to be gained by using any other plugs but what the manufacturer made the bike with? Just saying...

I HEAR YA CAP'T BOB....
BUT IF WE DON'T GO OUTSIDE OF THE BOX, WE'LL NEVER KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING BETTER TO BE HAD....
also, keep in mind: ALL OEM's use the 'LOW BIDDER' for their parts... i was an engineer for one of the top jet engine/gas turbine manufacturers in the world, and i'm here to tell you that every plane you've flown on, and every watt of electricity you've consumed was from the low bidder...
my passion is to search for and utilize components that may/may not, advance my curiosity...
Dan P
SPYD3R

 

[Tazzel]

TAZZ;
BIG difference between the 9300 mile service and the 28,000 mile service...
just the spark plugs and gas filter alone constitutes an hour + time to pull all the Tuperware off... consider that service is $109 per hr, not to mention the cost of those parts... also, a 28K service requires changing the anti-freeze, trans filter and check frt bushings...
your service should run about $150 or so... good luck, and enjoy riding...
Dan P
SPYD3R

Yep just had my F3 9300 service done today. One dealership quoted 450.00 and another 230.00. i took it to the 230.00 quote and it ended up only costing me 188.00. Had them check my front sprocket while they had it. It looked nice and clean to me but wanted them to double check it. They said it looked new. So I will keep my eye on it, just in case.