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Kwelmetal air shock - does it work?

pathfinderjoe

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I've been considering the air-shock system from Kwelmetal to address the over weight problem I have when riding 2 up with the saddlebags stuffed . Before I spend the big bucks - can anyone who has installed one give me some feedback - please.
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I've been considering the air-shock system from Kwelmetal to address the over weight problem I have when riding 2 up with the saddlebags stuffed . Before I spend the big bucks - can anyone who has installed one give me some feedback - please.
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I had the kewlmetal mirror extensions and they were a good product...the footpeg construction is junk...I'm questioning the attention to detail with this company at this time as I'm still upset about the footpegs moving all over the place with no way to lock them down...short of welding them...

I'd go with Fire's advice on this one...he knows his product lines pretty darn well...
 
I've been considering the air-shock system from Kwelmetal to address the over weight problem I have when riding 2 up with the saddlebags stuffed . Before I spend the big bucks - can anyone who has installed one give me some feedback - please.
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I know you have been waiting for my review, but I have not fully tested this shock out yet. I have not had a chance to ride 2 up. I can tell you that it handles normal roads very well, however it did not handle speed bumps as good as the stock shock. I bought this shock to be able to adjust to my loads and it does this very well. The fast shock mentioned does not have any adjustment for rebound. Since the above posts don't mention that they have tried these shocks, I would discredit there advice. This does not apply to fastfraser.
 
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I know you have been waiting for my review, but I have not fully tested this shock out yet. I have not had a chance to ride 2 up. I can tell you that it handles normal roads very well, however it did not handle speed bumps as good as the stock shock. I bought this shock to be able to adjust to my loads and it does this very well. The fast shock mentioned does not have any adjustment for rebound. Since the above posts don't mention that they have tried these shocks, I would discredit there advice. This does not apply to fastfraser.


Agree---- I only mention the TeamFast unit as an option--- I have NOT tried the either product so can't endorse either---- but if I was looking at them I would take a close look at the TeamFast unit considering it's almost 1/2 the price.
 
I had the kewlmetal mirror extensions and they were a good product...the footpeg construction is junk...I'm questioning the attention to detail with this company at this time as I'm still upset about the footpegs moving all over the place with no way to lock them down...short of welding them...

I'd go with Fire's advice on this one...he knows his product lines pretty darn well...

Did you install the star washers between the links and the brackets?

My number is 623-298-7835.

Matt
 
I purchased the Kewl Metal system. Its great lowering the Spyder to get my handicapped wife on the back and for car shows but the ride is so rough on badly paved roads or if you hit a pot hole...If I was to take a long trip I would probably put it back to stock until I got home. Currently when running around town I have to consider which route to take based on the quality of the road conditions. If not for our unique situation, I would regret the purchase considering its price tag.

Now regulating the air to try to find a semi-comfortable ride isnt easy and attempting to make adjustments on the fly is pretty much out of the question.Too much air bounces like crazy, not enough rebound and it bottoms out...dangerous at high speeds. I would recommend purchasing some air gauges with this set up but the digital type which you would need (above 160 psi) will cost nearly $300. I havent been able to yet for financial reasons.

I am not a newbie to air suspension as I have owned or rode in several vehicles with bags/cylinders. The ride should typically improve on comfort over a stock set up...IMO this one does not.

On high note...product is good quality and the install was easy. Also on nice roads it handles MUCH BETTER than stock with a lot less of the VSS kicking.

Now comparing the two packages offered, I would say that the Kewl Metal set up probably has a better air management system (Viair 100c compressor valves etc) but I believe the other may have a better air shock as it appears to be similar to that of a shockwave (air ride technologies inc.) which is top notch!:2thumbs:

If anyone buys the less expensive set up please post your thoughts on the ride quality, lift etc. In time when funds allow I may consider keeping my kewl metal set up and simply replacing the shock itself with the one from teamfast.

Matt, if your reading this and there is a way to soften the ride please feel free to offer some input/suggestions. If I have overlooked some aspect to this suspension or its adjustability I would appreciate the help. As far as I know I have tried just about every setting possible.
 
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If I may add to my last post...at the time I made the purchase the less expensive option wasn't available. Also keep in mind I am rather light at 145 lbs.,combined weight with my daughter is under 200lbs. and two up with the wife we are still under 300lbs. This may play a factor. I have found the ride improves a bit with the increased weight of two ryders.

I normally don't give negative reviews of products, especially when the product is from a site sponsor but at a cost of almost $1300 with the remote...in this case I felt it was important to do so. Also, I have greatly benefited by the reviews and the input I have received from other Spyderlovers.com members. I felt I needed to contribute as well.
 
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Crucified,

I have found that the Kewlmetal bleed feed system has always had a better ride than any spring shock as far as absorption of sharp or large bumps. There are several bumps on my road in and out of my neighborhood that hurt my back if I stay seated, with stock shocks, or even progressive shocks on my VTX, but with the air ride, they are no problem. The Spyder exhibits the same characteristics but not quite as noticeable as a 2 wheeled bike. I believe this is because you are feeling more of the front suspension on the Spyder. The handling is not necessarily better in terms of vehicle dynamics under hard driving and cornering because there is NO oil damping, so the system is under damped. The bleed feed system pressurizes both sides of the piston and has quite a lot of damping for an AIR shock, especially compared to a single sided air shock.

Now let's also remember the original purpose to putting an air ride on a bike in the first place is to slam the bike for looks. A lot of the original systems are single sided and merely allow you to raise the bike so you have SOME suspension to ride home on. These systems are terrible to ride. The Kewlmetal bleed feed system is WAY better. BUT it is NOT a high end shock like a penske, a totally different animal.

I still Love my air ride on my Spyder and the wife rode it for 10K miles with no issues and she was very comfortable on it. And trust me she would have made me take it off if she had any issue with it!

I think if the ride is harsh you have it set up too stiff. You should raise the shock all the way to the top and stop pressurizing as soon as it hits the top while releasing all the back pressure at the same time. Then lower the bike no more than 1 inch with the back pressure. I find this to be the sweet spot for me, and once I have done it a few times I can set it right back with out using any gages.

Now I used to ride my VTX both solo and 2 up, and with the progressive shocks I HAD to adjust the shocks for 2 up and back again for solo, which was a pain. Once I put the air ride on, that issue went away. I was able to set the shock just using the switches, and once again, after experimenting a little, I did not need any gages to repeat the settings pretty close each time. For this reason and because the hard bumps were less harsh, I would never trade back to a spring shock after running the air ride. The single biggest compromise is the under damping when riding hard in the twisties, but that is on 2 wheels, this is less noticeable on the Spyder and has less impact on the handling IMHO.

I always set the pressures while standing next to the bike, before riding. It is very difficult to get it right while sitting on the bike or while riding.

I hope all this helps!

Please feel free to call me 623-298-7835 if you have any questions.

Matt
 
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Good info to know from all sides.

I was under the impression that air-shocks were for a better ride and easier adjustment to get a better ride--- not for 'slamming' it for looks. $1300, or even the $700 for the ability to 'slam' it is just nuts in my opinion-- not a look I care for at all.


The Elka adjustable for the rear is what I'll be taking a serious look at. Maybe this would work for you also CRUCIFIED ?
 
Did you install the star washers between the links and the brackets?

My number is 623-298-7835.

Matt

Matt,

Lemme take a picture of what I have now and I'll email it to you...you have your email somewhere here but can you PM me with it? I had the star washers on both sides at one point or another...right now, I have it bolted really tight and with red locktite, still not sure it will hold...won't be able to take a spin this weekend as I have a pro event to work. I'll take a photo and send you the pics...you'll see by looking at the bolts just how much I've been trying to get these things to hold on tight...

Thanks...
 
Crucified,


I think if the ride is harsh you have it set up too stiff. You should raise the shock all the way to the top and stop pressurizing as soon as it hits the top while releasing all the back pressure at the same time. Then lower the bike no more than 1 inch with the back pressure.

I always set the pressures while standing next to the bike, before riding. It is very difficult to get it right while sitting on the bike or while riding.

Thank you for the reply Matt.


I have experimented with just about every other conceivable ride height and/or mixture of primary and back pressure... to no avail and with inferior results. My review above was based upon on your recommended settings which were similarly described in the installation manual.

http://www.chromegarage.com/pics/matt/003/Spyder Air Ride.pdf

"Now add pressure to the primary and release the back pressure at the same time to raise
the bike all the way up to the top of the travel, then release just a little primary to drop the
back ½ inch or 1 inch. Then add just a little back pressure (1 or 2 seconds) and that is a
good starting point for a test ride. Adding more pressure to either (or both) sides will make
the ride firmer."


If my experience isn't typical perhaps I have a faulty cylinder and should send it in for an exchange?
 
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Crucified,

I am really puzzled because all of my air rides provide a softer ride than the stock shocks. The biggest cause for a harsh ride is simply too much pressure. If the rear cylinder does not leak, and it articulates and raises and lowers with the switches, then I would say there is nothing wrong with it. There is not much that can go wrong with it other than leaks.

If you raise it say 3/4 of the way up with no back pressure, then apply just a hint of back pressure, it will ride soft as soft can be. At this setting, it will bottom out on a larger bump as you say, so a little more front side pressure and you should be great!

I really would like to speak to you on the phone on Monday.

Matt
 
Crucified,

I am really puzzled because all of my air rides provide a softer ride than the stock shocks. The biggest cause for a harsh ride is simply too much pressure. If the rear cylinder does not leak, and it articulates and raises and lowers with the switches, then I would say there is nothing wrong with it. There is not much that can go wrong with it other than leaks.

If you raise it say 3/4 of the way up with no back pressure, then apply just a hint of back pressure, it will ride soft as soft can be. At this setting, it will bottom out on a larger bump as you say, so a little more front side pressure and you should be great!

I really would like to speak to you on the phone on Monday.

Matt

My Spyder is in the shop right now but when I get it back I would be more than glad to discuss this with you on the phone. Thanks.

I have/had no intention of purposely hindering Kewl Metals business...It was a difficult decision for me to make...to comment at all.

If this can be resolved I would be blessed to report back a positive experience and a solid endorsement. These are tough times as you know and I didnt want to see anyone spend that kind of money for a product that really didnt perform as described.

I hope you understand my position.
 
My Spyder is in the shop right now but when I get it back I would be more than glad to discuss this with you on the phone. Thanks.

I have/had no intention of purposely hindering Kewl Metals business...It was a difficult decision for me to make...to comment at all.

If this can be resolved I would be blessed to report back a positive experience and a solid endorsement. These are tough times as you know and I didnt want to see anyone spend that kind of money for a product that really didnt perform as described.

I hope you understand my position.

No worries. I only want satisfied customers. I am not the least bit interested in selling somebody something based on any mis-information or mis-interpretations. An air ride system, although it is cushy and adjustable, it does not have oil damping. Perhaps the harshness you are feeling is the extra bouncing you get because of the lack of damping. This is the nature of the beast. The main road into town for me is a bad road full of busted up pavement and pot holes, and I am perfectly comfortable on mine. Now I say that because I know how harsh a motorcycle can be. It is not a big heavy car or SUV. Anyhow, lets talk on Monday and we can take it from there. Maybe the Elka is a better solution for you and we can work something out.

Matt
 
i have the KM air ride and I find it very rough also.
I weigh about 140, and can't find that smooth ride I was hoping for whatsoever. I expected a cadillac ride but instead it has turned out to be a breadbox.

I have been setting up as Matt has said since I first put the air ride on and haven't got a satisfactory setting yet.

riding 2 up solves the issue. It seems like extra weight makes it actually work.ME and a passenger = 250 lb's.
I don't know much about air suspension but is it possible the size of the air shock is overkill for lightweight spyder pilots ?

All i know is with the factory spyder shock I was able to actually make the supsension easily move by slamming my butt into the seat at it's softest setting. With the air at 3/4 ride height and zero back pressure I can't make it budge an 1/8 of an inch when slamming my butt in the seat.

On smooth highways it's perfect,no matter how low or high the ride height is. It's a stock like feeling........

On rough highways forget it. I am extra careful because I never know if the air ride is going to buck me off the seat.
 
i have the KM air ride and I find it very rough also.
I weigh about 140, and can't find that smooth ride I was hoping for whatsoever. I expected a cadillac ride but instead it has turned out to be a breadbox.

I have been setting up as Matt has said since I first put the air ride on and haven't got a satisfactory setting yet.

riding 2 up solves the issue. It seems like extra weight makes it actually work.ME and a passenger = 250 lb's.
I don't know much about air suspension but is it possible the size of the air shock is overkill for lightweight spyder pilots ?

All i know is with the factory spyder shock I was able to actually make the supsension easily move by slamming my butt into the seat at it's softest setting. With the air at 3/4 ride height and zero back pressure I can't make it budge an 1/8 of an inch when slamming my butt in the seat.

On smooth highways it's perfect,no matter how low or high the ride height is. It's a stock like feeling........

On rough highways forget it. I am extra careful because I never know if the air ride is going to buck me off the seat.

I just went out to my Spyder, and I raised the shock up to the top. Then I released all the back pressure. Then I released enough front side pressure to let it drop just 1/4 inch. So now I know I have the longest travel available, the least amount of front side pressure to hold it up, and zero back pressure (in fact probably slightly negative on the back pressure because I dropped it 1/4 from when it was zero). Now I just lean on my luggage rack and I can easily compress the back end 1 inch or more without even putting all of my weight on it. Then if I drop it a little more, say about 1/2 the range, is is so soft it will easily bottom out.

Are you sure you have no back pressure? The back pressure is what really firms it up.

Matt
 
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