WHY IS GAS MILEAGE SO BAD, COULD IT BE HOT GAS?

[D00M]

I guess this is a subject that has been explored in the past. However, I can not see why my mileage on my '13 RTs is 27 MPG at best. I have gotten the ole "it is a high performance engine", and the "that is just what it is" statements.

Here is what I got, and what I think may be going on to contribute to the low mileage.
I put a 2 Brothers exhaust with the hope this may help my mileage, it did took me from 25.5 to 27 city/highway.
Upgraded the plug wire to ACCEL and the plugs to NGK Iridium, no help on mileage. Nitrogen gas in tires. Front 24 lbs. Rear 28.5 lbs. Kendra up front and the New Arachnid compound in the rear.

When I was putting the exhaust on I noticed the location of the Cat converter, how close it was to the bottom of the fuel tank.
Did some reading and found out that a CAT runs at about 800 degrees F. I assume this temp is reached by keeping the exhaust moving around in the Cat and increasing back pressure. Any way the temp of the Cat is not the critical factor here, but the location.

I could not get the thought out of my head that I had in effect a HOT PLATE under my gas tank. I am thinking that if the heat from the Cat is warming the gas inside, and as the gas gets warmer it expands. That as the gas heats, expands the computer controlled injectors add more fuel to the engine to make up for the lost density of the gas. So to validate this "theory" I bought a probe thermometer. It has the sensor at the end and approx. 24 inches of steel cable that allowed me to put the sensor directly into the fuel tank. My results from 2 tests were:

Test one, 50 mile run with 2 shot stops and a 30min stop for lunch. Be fore engine start up after a rather cool S. FL. night (65 degrees) Ambient temp of air 76 degrees F. Temp of fuel 74 degrees. Placing probe in gas and Velcro the read out near the glove box, the wife and I headed out.
Warm up approx. 5 min., Fuel temp no change, 2 Miles to gas station, shut off, went in for bottled water, smokes, and a candy bar for the wife.
Approx. 10 min before restart. Fuel temp 80 degrees. The fuel had warmed up as it was sitting after approx. 10 min. of engine run time.

Left Homestead Fl for a 22 mile run to Key Largo, ambient air temp at this time was 78. Fuel 80. Got on US 1 and was running approx. 55-65 miles an hour. After just a few min, the fuel was heating up. Approx 2 degrees in 3 min. Approx 30 min. latter when we stopped for lunch at Key Largo the fuel temp was 116 degrees....THE TEMP of the fuel was going up as the bike was moving! pps: This surprized the heck out of me. Lunch took approx. 30 min. Before start up for the trip home the fuel tem was 118 degrees. Again the temp went up as the bike was off. One the return ride the fuel temp seem to level off at 125 degrees :yikes:. With ambient air temp at 78, on a moving bike. When I returned home and after bike sit for 30 min. The fuel temp was 120 degrees. After sitting one hour the temp was 99 degrees.
What I learned was the CAT does in fact act as a hot plate under the fuel tank. That the fuel will heat up when the bike sits after running. That the fuel temp goes up as the bike is moving at normal highway speeds. Total time for the this test was a tad over 2 hours, the total running time of the bike was 1 hour 10 min.

The second test was much shorter. Cold bike ambient air temp 81 degrees, fuel temp 74 degrees. Again bike was sitting all night and night low tem was 68 degrees. Start bike, warm up approx. 5 min. 2 mile city traffic to our favourite breakfast place. Total run time less then 20 min. speed not over 25 mph. Fuel temp on shutting down 99 degrees. 45 min. for breakfast. fuel tem 85 degrees. Run time home less then 15 min. Fuel temp 107 degrees. Shut down bike and 30 min. latter fuel temp was 98 degrees.
What I learned here was the fuel temp goes up rather fast, and down rather slow.

I have not down a test a full one highway speeds of 65-75 mph for any extended time. Truth be told, I do not know if I want to know fuel temp after 3-4 hours of riding......

2 Questions I need some input on: 1) I know gas does expand when it gets hot, are the temps I recorded high enough to cause expansion to the point it could affect gas mileage? 2) I know that the back pressure from the Cat may effect gas mileage, but to what degree I have not a clue.

My plan now is to get a Cat bypass pipe. I am looking at near $300 to purchase and I would assume another $100 or so to install. Is there anyone who has put a Cat bypass pipe on their 996 Rotax and saw an improvement in gas mileage?

Rather long post, but wanted you to have the background on what I did etc.
Thanks a bunch,

Doom
:doorag:

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

GAS MILEAGE

Temp of Gas regarding it's MPG's ...........would be minimal at worst case scenario ......and Yes the Gas gets Hot enough to get pushed out , either into the Evac canister or the spout......Your MPG's aren't abnormal for the 998 in an RT, imho........How heavy are you and do you carry a passenger.......Also have you had the AIR DUCTS done per the BRP fix for the 2013 RT's ???????............Mike :bbq:

 

[Bobleach45]

Gas mileage

Wow. What a great test, well thought out and the logic seems to tell us something. I bought a used 2013 RT LTD last May with 9925 miles on it. A month later I found out about the recall for possible heat and fire problems. Recall done and they put the air scoops on, extra insulation and a new kit on for gas control of some kind. Before the "fix" I was getting 37.5 mpg under normal driving conditions and 36 if I ran it a lot up in the 65mph range. After the "fix" I struggle to get 33 mpg on normal rides a d just under 30 if running up in the 65mphrange. When I questioned if a setting needed to be changed they told me there was no adjustment and they couldn't explain the change.

i think BRP owes their customers a look into this. I think there is something to the high temp of the gas, the drastic loss that I described and probably some evaporation of fuel with the high temps of the gas described.:yikes:

 

[Gunkandpudge]

GAS MILAGE

My original Spyder was a 2010 RT-S. I got anywhere from 17 mpg to 28 mpg. I never worried about it cause I was having fun. My new RT-S, 1330 since its first oil change is getting 34 mpg-41 mpg. On our ride today with CruzerJoe I got 38.6 mpg. again I don't worry about gas milage, I worry if I brought enough money to cover lunch.

:gaah:

 

[Bob Denman]

:clap: That was a very thorough documentation of what you did; Thanks! :clap:
The largest factor that affects fuel economy, I the dance that your right wrist does with the loud grip...
You mentioned riding at 55 to 65 mph; is that your usual cruising speed? :dontknow:
These bikes are about as aerodynamic as a barn door; slowing down usually helps a lot.
Example: I normally ride at 62 mph... and used to get 35 to 36 mpg with my old 2010 RT.
Riding out to SpyderFest, with speeds well over 75; my mileage did drop to 27 mpg...

 

[ARtraveler]

I have had four two cylinder 998's. Two RS and two RT. My average gas mileage was 31. The best I could eke out (sub 55 mph, downhill, and the wind at my back) was 34.

No muffler mods on any of my four 998's. The new 1330 triple gives average 39 mpg.

130,000 miles of test driving.

 

[Peter Aawen]

The Catalytic Converter will certainly have some impact on raising the gas temp in the tank as you ride, but probably not as much as you think!! This is simply because you've missed the major cause of said heat increase, which is the Fuel Injection System & the way it uses the fuel in your tank as a heat sink! pps:

Most modern fuel injection systems use fuel pumps that circulate fuel from the tank to the injectors & then returns the bulk of it back to the tank, with the gas being used as both coolant & lubricant for the pump & injectors along the way. Some EFI systems actually go so far as to run a fuel cooler/heat exchanger type radiator somewhere in their circulation system to keep the temps down!! On our Spyders (that don't have a heat exchanger) by far the bulk of the gas pumped ends up being returned to the tank on each cycle; really only a fairly small percentage of the total gas circulated actually ends up being injected & burnt in the cylinders along the way. And the heat collected on each circulation & returned to the gas tank where it is absorbed & dissipated is a fairly significant amount - I'm sorry that I can't remember actual temps/percentages for you, but the amount of heat is such that you really NEED to keep at least about 1/2 a gallon (2-3 litres) of fuel in your Spyder's gas tank at all times or the remaining fuel won't be able to properly dissipate the heat returned to the tank well enough & your injector system will suffer!! It might not be immediately evident, but running the gas level down too low just once isn't a great idea, doing it too often will be causing microscopic damage to pump internal & injectors & it is cumulative & irreversible!!

So while your documented heat increase info is very interesting, the conclusion that it is all due to the presence of the catalytic converter & will be resolved by fitting a cat eliminator is not going to be the whole story - the major heat source that raises the temperature of fuel in the gas tank will be the injector system shedding heat thru the gas it circulates & returns to the tank as the engine runs. Still, I'd be very interested to see you actually fit a cat eliminator '& then repeat your testing/measurements, the results could be extremely enlightening!! :thumbup:

 

[BajaRon]

You have to understand that the Spyder is not a high MPG machine. Mileage can vary greatly from tank to tank for a number of reasons. You can invest a lot of money trying to get better mileage and you'll probably never recover the cost of the upgrades in fuel.

The CAT is a problem. Both in back pressure and heat. But don't get rid of it for better mileage.

As long as your fuel/air ratio is good and your Spyder is running well. Just enjoy the ride. You'll ruin the experience trying to get great MPG.

 

[Koop]

The Catalytic Converter will certainly have some impact on raising the gas temp in the tank as you ride, but probably not as much as you think!! This is simply because you've missed the major cause of said heat increase, which is the Fuel Injection System & the way it uses the fuel in your tank as a heat sink! pps:

Most modern fuel injection systems use fuel pumps that circulate fuel from the tank to the injectors & then returns the bulk of it back to the tank, with the gas being used as both coolant & lubricant for the pump & injectors along the way. Some EFI systems actually go so far as to run a fuel cooler/heat exchanger type radiator somewhere in their circulation system to keep the temps down!! On our Spyders (that don't have a heat exchanger) by far the bulk of the gas pumped ends up being returned to the tank on each cycle; really only a fairly small percentage of the total gas circulated actually ends up being injected & burnt in the cylinders along the way. And the heat collected on each circulation & returned to the gas tank where it is absorbed & dissipated is a fairly significant amount - I'm sorry that I can't remember actual temps/percentages for you, but the amount of heat is such that you really NEED to keep at least about 1/2 a gallon (2-3 litres) of fuel in your Spyder's gas tank at all times or the remaining fuel won't be able to properly dissipate the heat returned to the tank well enough & your injector system will suffer!! It might not be immediately evident, but running the gas level down too low just once isn't a great idea, doing it too often will be causing microscopic damage to pump internal & injectors & it is cumulative & irreversible!!

So while your documented heat increase info is very interesting, the conclusion that it is all due to the presence of the catalytic converter & will be resolved by fitting a cat eliminator is not going to be the whole story - the major heat source that raises the temperature of fuel in the gas tank will be the injector system shedding heat thru the gas it circulates & returns to the tank as the engine runs. Still, I'd be very interested to see you actually fit a cat eliminator '& then repeat your testing/measurements, the results could be extremely enlightening!! :thumbup:

This is truth.

 

[Dan McNally]

I guess this is a subject that has been explored in the past. However, I can not see why my mileage on my '13 RTs is 27 MPG at best. I have gotten the ole "it is a high performance engine", and the "that is just what it is" statements.

Here is what I got, and what I think may be going on to contribute to the low mileage.
I put a 2 Brothers exhaust with the hope this may help my mileage, it did took me from 25.5 to 27 city/highway.
Upgraded the plug wire to ACCEL and the plugs to NGK Iridium, no help on mileage. Nitrogen gas in tires. Front 24 lbs. Rear 28.5 lbs. Kendra up front and the New Arachnid compound in the rear.

When I was putting the exhaust on I noticed the location of the Cat converter, how close it was to the bottom of the fuel tank.
Did some reading and found out that a CAT runs at about 800 degrees F. I assume this temp is reached by keeping the exhaust moving around in the Cat and increasing back pressure. Any way the temp of the Cat is not the critical factor here, but the location.

I could not get the thought out of my head that I had in effect a HOT PLATE under my gas tank. I am thinking that if the heat from the Cat is warming the gas inside, and as the gas gets warmer it expands. That as the gas heats, expands the computer controlled injectors add more fuel to the engine to make up for the lost density of the gas. So to validate this "theory" I bought a probe thermometer. It has the sensor at the end and approx. 24 inches of steel cable that allowed me to put the sensor directly into the fuel tank. My results from 2 tests were:

Test one, 50 mile run with 2 shot stops and a 30min stop for lunch. Be fore engine start up after a rather cool S. FL. night (65 degrees) Ambient temp of air 76 degrees F. Temp of fuel 74 degrees. Placing probe in gas and Velcro the read out near the glove box, the wife and I headed out.
Warm up approx. 5 min., Fuel temp no change, 2 Miles to gas station, shut off, went in for bottled water, smokes, and a candy bar for the wife.
Approx. 10 min before restart. Fuel temp 80 degrees. The fuel had warmed up as it was sitting after approx. 10 min. of engine run time.

Left Homestead Fl for a 22 mile run to Key Largo, ambient air temp at this time was 78. Fuel 80. Got on US 1 and was running approx. 55-65 miles an hour. After just a few min, the fuel was heating up. Approx 2 degrees in 3 min. Approx 30 min. latter when we stopped for lunch at Key Largo the fuel temp was 116 degrees....THE TEMP of the fuel was going up as the bike was moving! pps: This surprized the heck out of me. Lunch took approx. 30 min. Before start up for the trip home the fuel tem was 118 degrees. Again the temp went up as the bike was off. One the return ride the fuel temp seem to level off at 125 degrees :yikes:. With ambient air temp at 78, on a moving bike. When I returned home and after bike sit for 30 min. The fuel temp was 120 degrees. After sitting one hour the temp was 99 degrees.
What I learned was the CAT does in fact act as a hot plate under the fuel tank. That the fuel will heat up when the bike sits after running. That the fuel temp goes up as the bike is moving at normal highway speeds. Total time for the this test was a tad over 2 hours, the total running time of the bike was 1 hour 10 min.

The second test was much shorter. Cold bike ambient air temp 81 degrees, fuel temp 74 degrees. Again bike was sitting all night and night low tem was 68 degrees. Start bike, warm up approx. 5 min. 2 mile city traffic to our favourite breakfast place. Total run time less then 20 min. speed not over 25 mph. Fuel temp on shutting down 99 degrees. 45 min. for breakfast. fuel tem 85 degrees. Run time home less then 15 min. Fuel temp 107 degrees. Shut down bike and 30 min. latter fuel temp was 98 degrees.
What I learned here was the fuel temp goes up rather fast, and down rather slow.

I have not down a test a full one highway speeds of 65-75 mph for any extended time. Truth be told, I do not know if I want to know fuel temp after 3-4 hours of riding......

2 Questions I need some input on: 1) I know gas does expand when it gets hot, are the temps I recorded high enough to cause expansion to the point it could affect gas mileage? 2) I know that the back pressure from the Cat may effect gas mileage, but to what degree I have not a clue.

My plan now is to get a Cat bypass pipe. I am looking at near $300 to purchase and I would assume another $100 or so to install. Is there anyone who has put a Cat bypass pipe on their 996 Rotax and saw an improvement in gas mileage?

Rather long post, but wanted you to have the background on what I did etc.
Thanks a bunch,

Doom
:doorag:

You don't mention whether you've had the recall done, or not. My mileage was very similar to yours, in fact, worse, pre-recall. I was really happy when I got 27 MPG. Post recall, my mileage jumped way up - I've gotten as much as 38 MPG, and never less than 31 MPG.

 

[Highwayman2013]

I believe during the recall on the 2013's the fuel injection system is changed so it does not recirculate fuel back to the fuel tank. Did you have the recall done is the question here.

 

[Bob Denman]

I believe during the recall on the 2013's the fuel injection system is changed so it does not recirculate fuel back to the fuel tank. Did you have the recall done is the question here.

Good point... :thumbup:
Most folks did seem to report better fuel economy after the work had been done to their bikes.

 

[finless]

I believe during the recall on the 2013's the fuel injection system is changed so it does not recirculate fuel back to the fuel tank. Did you have the recall done is the question here.

Correct. If the recall has been done to his 2013 RT, there is no hot gas returning to the tank.

Bob

 

[Gray Ghost]

I guess this is a subject that has been explored in the past. However, I can not see why my mileage on my '13 RTs is 27 MPG at best. I have gotten the ole "it is a high performance engine", and the "that is just what it is" statements.

Like so many have said, if you have a 2013 RT, you really need to make sure the recall was done. About a year and a half ago we expended many electrons on this forum about the issues. BRP tried a fix back around Sep of 2014 on some test bikes. I was selected to be one of the test subjects and rode from Texas to Florida to have the work done, then returned to Texas. I took three days each way, went the same route and took temperature readings on select spots whenever I started out and when I stopped using a temperature gun. I am attaching the data I collected as a pdf file. What was of particular concern to me at the time was that running all day at about the second gas stop I was noticing that the fuel was starting to agitate and form bubbles. The max heat measured with the gun aimed at the fuel was 156 degrees. I haven't been on a long extended trip since I have had the recall done, but I am convinced it is running a lot cooler. And I still have my cat.

 

[SpyderAnn01]

It bugs me when people start a thread and then don't ever come back to it. :banghead:

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

MISSING POSTERS

It bugs me when people start a thread and then don't ever come back to it. :banghead:

:agree::agree::agree:...................It makes me wonder ...........why bother answering any questions :dontknow:......" RUDE " is becoming the Norm here ......................Mike :bbq:

 

[Bob Denman]

The O.P.'s a newbie; give them a chance to learn the ropes in here... :thumbup:

 

[D00M]

I'M BACKKKKKKKKKKK

Sorry I did not mention in the original post that the latest recall work was done. The scoops looked great by the way. The scoops did help with the overall heat issue by simply getting more air flow in and around the engine. Heck did not even get a hot seat anymore. My cell would not cook in the glove box and could take the insulation out.

WOW!! a lot of knowledge here, overwhelmed in fact. Yes I am a newbie to the Spyder world, coming from the 2 wheel world for 45 years or so. I have never been a mechanic or engineer. Does not mean I do not have the ability to understand the workings, even if I lack the skills to do any work myself. I did put on my 2 Brothers but it took me 2 hours. I know someone who knew what they were doing it was a 45 min. job at best.

Anyway, even taking the aerodynamics into effect, the horse power to weight ratio, the engine power curve, and driving habits....(I does like to twist the right hand now and then) into account, it just seems to me that the 991 should have better mileage. I do not ride a Spyder to save gas! It has more to do with efficacy and the fact I do not like to stop for gas every 120-150 miles. I do not want to sacrifice performance for mileage. I do not want to sacrifice horse power for mileage. I would like my Spyder to perform at its peak efficiency.


Of course now, the performance of my 2013 RTs is a moot point. Sunday 3/6 while on a short trip from Homestead FL, to Alabama Jacks on Card Sound Road, (a trip of 10-12 miles) in the company of a couple of friends (2 wheel Hog nuts). My beautiful Spyder started to miss real bad, like it had water or something in the tank. I pulled over to the side of the road. Spyder was idling and after a minute or two it smoothed out. Off we go again, 1/2 mile latter the Spyder was running like only one cylinder was firing. Pulled over again and told my buddies to go on without me, I was turning around and headed for home. As I made the U-Turn....My buddy on his HOG started to yell........DOOM YOUR BIKE IS ON FIRE!!

I hit the kill switch, turn the key off and coasted off the side of the road. Jumped off the Spyder like a Jack in the box. Sure enough there was smoke pouring from the right side, just behind the riders seat. I bent down to look hoping like hell a leaf or paper or something had blew up on the Cat or engine header or something. What I saw just in front of the passenger floor board was dripping fire. The fire was between the right side panel about in the middle of where the gas tank would be. Could not see the source of the flames, only the black tar like flaming substance dripping down. Insulation from wiring, hose, heck I don't have a clue.


Buddy called Fire/Rescue right away, the Spyder went fast....real fast within 1 min of stopping the flames were on the outside of the side panel. There was no hope. My buddy and I from a hundred yards or so away from the Spyder attempted to stop the traffic. We both thought the gas tank was going to go.

Now....Card Sound Road has only 2 lanes.... North and South. It is kinda out in the sticks and not much traffic. However it being Sunday it is a faster route to Key Largo and there was a medium flow of traffic. Most folks did not stop or even slow down from the fast 45 MPH speed limit.
The Spyder was shooting flames 15-20-25 feet high, and these Dillweeds were passing it going slow so the kids in the back seat could get a good look. UNBELIVEABLE!!

Fire/Rescue took approx. 15-18 minutes to show up and then foamed the Spyder. The gas tank did not go, thank God. I was told latter that fuel tanks while made of aluminium can withstand a lot more heat then the cast aluminium parts of the bike that melted. My Spyder is a total loss.
I will try to include a PHOTOBUCKECT link so you can look at the 100 pics or so. Before and Afters etc.

DID the fire have anything to do with the latest recall or the two before it concerning heat and fire issues? I do not have a clue. I did not do any modifications what so ever under the side panels. Only due to my lack of skills. Had the dealership do most of my work. Any way I will be getting another Spyder NO QUESTION!! I am hooked. It will not be a 2013 RTs I assure you. Regardless of the cause of the fire, had I known of the first two heat issue recalls I would have moved away from the 2013 to begin with. I am looking for a NEW 2015 RTs hoping to get a deal...who knows.

Anyway, I will check this post in the next day or so, just so you all know I do care. A lot.

Here is the link to PHOTOBUCKET, just click the arrows left and right to browse the library of pics. I set this up for the insurance company to view all the pics I had. http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/PANDA2GUNS/library/


Thank you all,

See you I HOPE in S. C. at the Spyder Fest....." JUST GOT TO GET MY SPYDER ON"

D00M

 

[stillriding]

Sorry I did not mention in the original post that the latest recall work was done. The scoops looked great by the way. The scoops did help with the overall heat issue by simply getting more air flow in and around the engine. Heck did not even get a hot seat anymore. My cell would not cook in the glove box and could take the insulation out.

WOW!! a lot of knowledge here, overwhelmed in fact. Yes I am a newbie to the Spyder world, coming from the 2 wheel world for 45 years or so. I have never been a mechanic or engineer. Does not mean I do not have the ability to understand the workings, even if I lack the skills to do any work myself. I did put on my 2 Brothers but it took me 2 hours. I know someone who knew what they were doing it was a 45 min. job at best.

Anyway, even taking the aerodynamics into effect, the horse power to weight ratio, the engine power curve, and driving habits....(I does like to twist the right hand now and then) into account, it just seems to me that the 991 should have better mileage. I do not ride a Spyder to save gas! It has more to do with efficacy and the fact I do not like to stop for gas every 120-150 miles. I do not want to sacrifice performance for mileage. I do not want to sacrifice horse power for mileage. I would like my Spyder to perform at its peak efficiency.


Of course now, the performance of my 2013 RTs is a moot point. Sunday 3/6 while on a short trip from Homestead FL, to Alabama Jacks on Card Sound Road, (a trip of 10-12 miles) in the company of a couple of friends (2 wheel Hog nuts). My beautiful Spyder started to miss real bad, like it had water or something in the tank. I pulled over to the side of the road. Spyder was idling and after a minute or two it smoothed out. Off we go again, 1/2 mile latter the Spyder was running like only one cylinder was firing. Pulled over again and told my buddies to go on without me, I was turning around and headed for home. As I made the U-Turn....My buddy on his HOG started to yell........DOOM YOUR BIKE IS ON FIRE!!

I hit the kill switch, turn the key off and coasted off the side of the road. Jumped off the Spyder like a Jack in the box. Sure enough there was smoke pouring from the right side, just behind the riders seat. I bent down to look hoping like hell a leaf or paper or something had blew up on the Cat or engine header or something. What I saw just in front of the passenger floor board was dripping fire. The fire was between the right side panel about in the middle of where the gas tank would be. Could not see the source of the flames, only the black tar like flaming substance dripping down. Insulation from wiring, hose, heck I don't have a clue.


Buddy called Fire/Rescue right away, the Spyder went fast....real fast within 1 min of stopping the flames were on the outside of the side panel. There was no hope. My buddy and I from a hundred yards or so away from the Spyder attempted to stop the traffic. We both thought the gas tank was going to go.

Now....Card Sound Road has only 2 lanes.... North and South. It is kinda out in the sticks and not much traffic. However it being Sunday it is a faster route to Key Largo and there was a medium flow of traffic. Most folks did not stop or even slow down from the fast 45 MPH speed limit.
The Spyder was shooting flames 15-20-25 feet high, and these Dillweeds were passing it going slow so the kids in the back seat could get a good look. UNBELIVEABLE!!

Fire/Rescue took approx. 15-18 minutes to show up and then foamed the Spyder. The gas tank did not go, thank God. I was told latter that fuel tanks while made of aluminium can withstand a lot more heat then the cast aluminium parts of the bike that melted. My Spyder is a total loss.
I will try to include a PHOTOBUCKECT link so you can look at the 100 pics or so. Before and Afters etc.

DID the fire have anything to do with the latest recall or the two before it concerning heat and fire issues? I do not have a clue. I did not do any modifications what so ever under the side panels. Only due to my lack of skills. Had the dealership do most of my work. Any way I will be getting another Spyder NO QUESTION!! I am hooked. It will not be a 2013 RTs I assure you. Regardless of the cause of the fire, had I known of the first two heat issue recalls I would have moved away from the 2013 to begin with. I am looking for a NEW 2015 RTs hoping to get a deal...who knows.

Anyway, I will check this post in the next day or so, just so you all know I do care. A lot.

Here is the link to PHOTOBUCKET, just click the arrows left and right to browse the library of pics. I set this up for the insurance company to view all the pics I had. http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/PANDA2GUNS/library/


Thank you all,

See you I HOPE in S. C. at the Spyder Fest....." JUST GOT TO GET MY SPYDER ON"

D00M[/QUOTE It appears that having a buddy along got you off of the Spyder a lot sooner than if you had been alone. You could have been injured. I hope you receive a quick and fair settlement from your insurance company.

 

[finless]

Makes me wonder if your dealer did the recall work properly. Fires is why the recall was even put in place!

If you Google "Can-am Spyder Fires" you will find several stories like yours.

Bob