I was reading a small article today in super street bike, they had a 2008 zx-10r. The mileage doubled and there was hp gains. My question is coud the spyder be addapted for that? All it is, is baking soda and water giving off hydrogen fumes that are plumed into the air box like nitrous. But is it that simple?
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Hydrogen powered?
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Spyderman62
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cant be that simple, or many more vehicle would be offering it - Boy do you think the folks at Arm and Hammer know this stuff......Im thinking it sounds to good to be true. Tweeder - from Nashville IL?
BajaRon
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I can assure you that baking soda and water alone will not produce any hydrogen. Some home brews for making hydrogen include baking soda as a way to reduce corrosion on the electrodes.
It is electric current passing through water which separates the 2 hydrogen atoms (H2) from the Oxygen atom (O). This will happen with or without the baking soda. But you need quite a bit of current to produce enough hydrogen to make any real difference.
Most of the hydrogen add on's are hype and snake oil. They are much better at separating the buyer from his money than they are at getting the hydrogen atoms to part from their oxygen partner.
Try this article...
http://www.autobloggreen.com/tag/kawasaki+zx-10r/
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Yeah thats the article on the bike that I read, not the same story though. I know theres plates that are hookued up to a positive and negative in a sealed contained that create the vapour, I loked at some systems on ebay under hydrogen generator.
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BajaRon
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I wished the hydrogen generators worked too! It's not like I enjoy bursting bubbles (though if you ask Lamont you might get a different opinion).
But they just don't work. The best of these systems are about 70% efficient. That means if you put 100hp in you get 70hp back. Not a good deal!
Most are much less efficient than 70%, especially the ones you'll see on eBay, no matter what they say. Don't waste your money.
Even if you could get enough hydrogen to make a difference you then have to tune the engine for the amount of hydrogen introduced or you'll lose HP anyway.
I'd like to see one of the new high performance, lightweight diesel engines in a motorcycle. Massive torque and great mileage. I think it would be very interesting but might not break the public image barrier.
Ok, just curious it seemed pretty simple like propane or natural gas. It would be nice to offset the gas like biodiesel. They are doing atv's with diesel engines. I think I heard about arctic cat making a 700cc diesel, not sure of the weight though.
bjt
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Spyderman62
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When I was in school, mixing baking soda and water gave off carbon dioxide. Maybe things have changed...
-Scotty
still does - but boy did we have fun with girls doing that kinda stuff!
NancysToy
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Hybrid?
-Scotty
I have always wondered how a diesel hybrid would work. You'd get the mileage of the diesel for long hauls or charging, and the oomph of the electric motor on acceleration. It'd probably make for a heavy bike, though, better for four wheels.
-Scotty
When I was in school, mixing baking soda and water gave off carbon dioxide. Maybe things have changed...
-Scotty
You'ver heard of new math?
This is the new chemistry.
shunkmanitu
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All it is, is baking soda and water giving off hydrogen fumes that are plumed into the air box like nitrous. But is it that simple?[/quote]
That is CO2, carbon dioxide, same waste air product you breath out. You might consider the Methane that can be produced from the other end. Rual folk in many countries brew it from animal (and human) poop to run cook stoves.
I am sure N-O kits are avail for the Rotax and it should handle the increase BUT it is not really simple and I would have worries about the rest of the drive line. Hydrogen would require some real plumbing in the form of a high pressure tank and a complete rewrite of the engine combustion control program.
That is CO2, carbon dioxide, same waste air product you breath out. You might consider the Methane that can be produced from the other end. Rual folk in many countries brew it from animal (and human) poop to run cook stoves.
I am sure N-O kits are avail for the Rotax and it should handle the increase BUT it is not really simple and I would have worries about the rest of the drive line. Hydrogen would require some real plumbing in the form of a high pressure tank and a complete rewrite of the engine combustion control program.
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