Baha Ron - Sway Bar Sspecific Question

[Many brands]

I do not take the twisty's - HARD. I'm a pretty "sane " rider. ( 2016 - RT )
But - when cornering - I do feel a Centrifigual force , trying to "pull" me - us - to the outside.
Question. Will the Ron bar - elimiate, or lesson that effect. ??? Enough to warrent the expence. ?

 

[Copperman]

If you lean into the curve, that'll solve your problem.

 

[Chupaca]

No

It may in fact make it a bit more noticeable. :agree: it's the whole leaning thing. Just because the spyder does not lean does not mean you don't have to. If you are a sane and easy going ryder you should get used to it and it will become natural...:thumbup:

 

[Pirate looks at --]

Agreed

So lean with your upper body into the turn and put as much preasure as you can on the peg or floorboard of your outside foot. That will solve you feeling of flying off the motorcycle. Not sure that the Ron Bar will solve that, but it will reduce body roll.

 

[BajaRon]

I do not take the twisty's - HARD. I'm a pretty "sane " rider. ( 2016 - RT )
But - when cornering - I do feel a Centrifigual force , trying to "pull" me - us - to the outside.
Question. Will the Ron bar - elimiate, or lesson that effect. ??? Enough to warrent the expence. ?

The previous posts bring up the point that there is reality, and there is perceived reality. I don't mean to get technical here but to answer your question, the reality is, anytime you go around a corner there is centrifugal force applied. The tighter the curve and the faster you go, the greater the centrifugal force will be.

However, the more the Spyder leans to the outside of the curve, the greater the PERCEIVED force will be. Think of the old carnival swings. The faster the ride spins, the farther out the swing and rider go. This is 100% centrifugal force. The same as when riding the Spyder. This same force is exerted on a 2 wheel motorcycle. Which, like the carnival ride, leans into the turn. So you, as the rider, feel it as a down-force instead of a force that is trying to throw or rip you off your seat.

You can scoot your body towards the inside of the turn and lean into the turn. This will convert some of the lateral force into a down-force (as on 2 wheels) and lessen the effect. But this is not a complete solution, nor does everyone want to do this.

The sway bar reduces the amount of Spyder lean you experience in a turn. The greater the centrifugal force, the greater the reduction percentage will be. With the bar kit installed you can actually go through a turn at a greater speed while at the same time experiencing, or perceiving less centrifugal force. And, you can still shift your body and lean into the turn if you feel the need. You just won't feel the need to do so as much as you did before the sway bar install.

But the sway bar does much more than just reduce perceived centrifugal force in a turn. And it is a misconception that you will only see a benefit from the sway bar if you take every turn like Evil Knievel. The sway bar increases the overall stability of the Spyder, giving the driver better control and the passenger more confidence in the ride.

 

[easysuper]

The previous posts bring up the point that there is reality, and there is perceived reality. I don't mean to get technical here but to answer your question, the reality is, anytime you go around a corner there is centrifugal force applied. The tighter the curve and the faster you go, the greater the centrifugal force will be.

However, the more the Spyder leans to the outside of the curve, the greater the PERCEIVED force will be. Think of the old carnival swings. The faster the ride spins, the farther out the swing and rider go. This is 100% centrifugal force. The same as when riding the Spyder. This same force is exerted on a 2 wheel motorcycle. Which, like the carnival ride, leans into the turn. So you, as the rider, feel it as a down-force instead of a force that is trying to throw or rip you off your seat.

You can scoot your body towards the inside of the turn and lean into the turn. This will convert some of the lateral force into a down-force (as on 2 wheels) and lessen the effect. But this is not a complete solution, nor does everyone want to do this.

The sway bar reduces the amount of Spyder lean you experience in a turn. The greater the centrifugal force, the greater the reduction percentage will be. With the bar kit installed you can actually go through a turn at a greater speed while at the same time experiencing, or perceiving less centrifugal force. And, you can still shift your body and lean into the turn if you feel the need. You just won't feel the need to do so as much as you did before the sway bar install.

But the sway bar does much more than just reduce perceived centrifugal force in a turn. And it is a misconception that you will only see a benefit from the sway bar if you take every turn like Evil Knievel. The sway bar increases the overall stability of the Spyder, giving the driver better control and the passenger more confidence in the ride.

What a great explanation on the effects, I for one resisted buying your bar for nearly 3 years and I ride aggressively, finally last year at the Redrock Rally I had them installed on both mine and my wife's bikes, I was amazed at the difference and would not own a Spyder without one!

 

[d.o.spyder-rts]

:agree: great explanation, thanks, Ron
Dale

 

[BajaRon]

What a great explanation on the effects, I for one resisted buying your bar for nearly 3 years and I ride aggressively, finally last year at the Redrock Rally I had them installed on both mine and my wife's bikes, I was amazed at the difference and would not own a Spyder without one!

You might be surprised at how many customers say the same thing to me. There are a lot of misconceptions out there about the bar. And it is understandable. There are some who advise that you don't need the bar who have never ridden a Spyder with the bar on it. It is true, of course, that you don't NEED the bar. But it is also true that virtually everyone who gets the bar, loves it.

It is the most frequent question I get. What will the sway bar upgrade do for me? And it is the most difficult question to answer. But as soon as you ride the bar, all of your questions are answered. It's just the way it is.

 

[slick999]

You might be surprised at how many customers say the same thing to me. There are a lot of misconceptions out there about the bar. And it is understandable. There are some who advise that you don't need the bar who have never ridden a Spyder with the bar on it. It is true, of course, that you don't NEED the bar. But it is also true that virtually everyone who gets the bar, loves it.

It is the most frequent question I get. What will the sway bar upgrade do for me? And it is the most difficult question to answer. But as soon as you ride the bar, all of your questions are answered. It's just the way it is.

How true once you ride the bar you will love it,I noticed the difference a quarter of a mile down the road after I had mine installed.

 

[Peteoz]

I do not take the twisty's - HARD. I'm a pretty "sane " rider. ( 2016 - RT )
But - when cornering - I do feel a Centrifigual force , trying to "pull" me - us - to the outside.
Question. Will the Ron bar - elimiate, or lesson that effect. ??? Enough to warrent the expence. ?

I, also, am not a "hard" cornerer???, Many brands. Leaning in further certainly decreased the feeling, but the addition of Ron's bar decreased it even more, for the reasons he details above. The "occasional" passenger also noticed a difference after the addition of Ron's stabiliser bar, and is far more happy to hop on the back these days.

Try leaning in further and planting the foot firmly on the outside board first, as others have suggested above, and if that does enough, great ! If you still want a bit less force than that, get Ron's bar. It's not a huge outlay.

Pete

 

[Slowpoke387]

Quick aside question on the bar. We received it but will be having a shop do the install. Will a dealer not want to install it due to warranty issues? Would like to have it done when it goes in for service next week.

 

[JerryB]

Hi Slowpoke,

Re: Will a dealer not want to install it due to warranty issues?

This my opinion only. It is a rather easy install. If your dealer does not want to do it for whatever reason, then I would suggest finding an independent motorcycle shop and see if they would do it. Just take the instructions with you so that they can see just what all needs to be done.

Jerry Baumchen

 

[BajaRon]

Quick aside question on the bar. We received it but will be having a shop do the install. Will a dealer not want to install it due to warranty issues? Would like to have it done when it goes in for service next week.

As JerryB states. The install is not difficult. But I never want to talk someone into going beyond their comfort or skill zone. So having a dealership install the bar is obviously an option. In the beginning there was some dealerships that would not install the bar. There may still be some, I don't know. But on the other hand. Some dealerships put my bar on their demo rides. They say it's easier to sell a Spyder with my bar kit installed.

You have to be careful though. Some dealerships will charge $200-$300 or more for the install. That means one of 2 things. Their tech has not done the job before or they are simply ripping the customer off. (Sorry, JMHO). You should pay no more than 1.0 to 1.5 hr. of shop labor rate for this install. For the F3, it should be even less.

And, you don't need a certified Spyder tech to do the job. Anyone with some mechanical ability and the resources to get the Spyder off the ground can do this job.

Hope this helps!

 

[Many brands]

re-

Thanks to all ... and expecialy BajaRon. for your answers.

 

[Slowpoke387]

As JerryB states. The install is not difficult. But I never want to talk someone into going beyond their comfort or skill zone. So having a dealership install the bar is obviously an option. In the beginning there was some dealerships that would not install the bar. There may still be some, I don't know. But on the other hand. Some dealerships put my bar on their demo rides. They say it's easier to sell a Spyder with my bar kit installed.

You have to be careful though. Some dealerships will charge $200-$300 or more for the install. That means one of 2 things. Their tech has not done the job before or they are simply ripping the customer off. (Sorry, JMHO). You should pay no more than 1.0 to 1.5 hr. of shop labor rate for this install. For the F3, it should be even less.

And, you don't need a certified Spyder tech to do the job. Anyone with some mechanical ability and the resources to get the Spyder off the ground can do this job.

Hope this helps!

im slightly disabled so i will have to pay someone. Was more concerned with warranty being somehow voided down the road even if i have a dealer do it.

 

[PrairieSpyder]

I also like to ryde the twisties aggressively and the Ron-bar is great accessory when I do that.

But I also live in Kansas, where we don't have twisties. But we do have strong cross winds. The bar is a big help in that situation. Also on the interstate among big-rigs and the wind effects from passing them.

Whatever you ryding style, it's the best after-market accessory you can add to your Spyder.

 

[newbert]

im slightly disabled so i will have to pay someone. Was more concerned with warranty being somehow voided down the road even if i have a dealer do it.

That's my remaining question too.

 

[Peteoz]

That's my remaining question too.

From what I have read on all kinds of forums, the manufacturer/dealer has to prove that the aftermarket part that you installed is what has caused an issue, if they wish to dispute paying for warranty work. So if Ron's bar breaks ( haven't heard of that happening anywhere:shocked and causes collateral damage you will definitely not be covered, but............

However, I'm sure someone can detail the warranty issue far more eloquently than that :thumbup:

Pete

 

[canamjhb]

I bought my bike slightly used and the Baha Ron bar was installed by the selling dealer when the bike was delivered new. I spoke directly with the original purchaser and confirmed this. It was included in what he called a "LaMonster Package" from the selling dealer. No warranty issues. But then, no warranty claims.....

 

[BajaRon]

im slightly disabled so i will have to pay someone. Was more concerned with warranty being somehow voided down the road even if i have a dealer do it.

I've been selling the bar kits for about 6 years both here and Internationally. There has never been any warranty issues. I doubt that dealerships would be installing these bar kits on brand new Spyders if they created a warranty issue.