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I wonder where the HD riders are going?

Come on...... I like the HD street glide......yes I know I can get a Kawasaki Street glide (I meant Vulcan vaquero) for $9k less.
 
I think sales are down for Harley because Trump talked to the Russians! Sorry guys I just couldn't resist!😳
 
Slam

Slamming puts U in same category.
What a waste.
I have 60 years riding.
Bridgestone - honda- triumphs- lots of HDs.
3rd year on my Spyder.
No slamming though. That's BS.
Almost everyone waves at me.
Must be Karma��
 
Well... if this is gonna be about who waves; and who doesn't:

It's time to break this out again! :D


Top Ten Reasons Why Harley Riders Don't Wave Back
10. Afraid it will invalidate warranty.
9. Leather and studs make it too heavy to raise arm.
8. Refuse to wave to anyone whose bike is already paid for.
7. Afraid to let go of handlebars because they might vibrate off.
6. Rushing wind would blow scabs off the new tattoos.
5. Angry because they just took out second mortgage to pay luxury tax on new Harley.
4. Just discovered the fine print in owner's manual and realized H-D is partially owned by Honda.
3. Can't tell if other riders are waving or just reaching to cover their ears like everyone else.
2. Remembers the last time a Harley rider waved back, he impaled his hand on spiked helmet.
1. They're too tired from spending hours polishing all that chrome to lift their arms.

Top Ten Reasons Why Gold Wing Riders Don't Wave Back
10. Wasn't sure whether other rider was waving or making an obscene gesture.
9. Afraid might get frostbite if hand is removed from heated grip.
8. Has arthritis and the past 400 miles have made it difficult to raise arm.
7. Reflection from etched windshield momentarily blinded him.
6. The espresso machine just finished.
5. Was actually asleep when other rider waved.
4. Was in a three-way conference call with stockbroker and accessories dealer.
3. Was distracted by odd shaped blip on radar screen.
2. Was simultaneously adjusting the air suspension, seat height, programmable CD player,
seat temperature and satellite navigation system.
1. Couldn't find the "auto wave back" button on dashboard.

Top 10 Reasons Sport bikers Don't Wave:
10. They have not been riding long enough to know they're supposed to.
9. They're going too fast to have time enough to register the movement and respond.
8. You weren't wearing bright enough gear.
7. If they stick their arm out going that fast they'll rip it out of the socket.
6. They're too occupied with trying to get rid of their chicken strips.
5. They look way too cool with both hands on the bars or they don't want to unbalance
themselves while standing on the tank.
4. Their skin tight-Kevlar-ballistic-nylon-kangaroo-leather suits prevent any position other than fetal.
3. Raising an arm allows bugs into the armholes of their tank tops.
2. It's too hard to do one-handed stoppies.
1. They were too busy slipping their flip-flop back on.

Top Ten Reasons Why BMW Riders Don't Wave Back
10. New Aerostich suit too stiff to raise arm.
9. Removing a hand from the bars is considered "bad form."
8. Your bike isn't weird enough looking to justify acknowledgment.
7. Too sore from an 800-mile day on a stock "comfort" seat.
6. Too busy programming the GPS, monitoring radar, listening to ipod, XM, or talking on the cell phone.
5. He's an Iron Butt rider and you're not!.
4. Wires from Gerbings is too short.
3. You're not riding the "right kind" of BMW.
2. You haven't been properly introduced.
1. Afraid it will be misinterpreted as a friendly gesture.

Top Ten Reasons Why Dual Sport Riders Don't Wave Back
10. Vibration of knobby tires prevented the rider from taking his hand off the bars.
9. MX style safety gear was too bright to see you wave.
8. His front fender prevents you seeing him wave back.
7. Was too busy configuring his GPS/Enduro Roll/FishFinder.
6. His rain/wind/thorn/bug/bird proof thousand-dollar jacket won't allow it.
5. Was too busy re-arranging his 500 pounds of soft-sided luggage.
4. Doesn't recognize a wave in any language other than German.
3. Too busy splitting lanes/filtering through traffic.
2. One handed wheelies are not easy.
1. On single-track trails you stop, not wave.

Top Ten Reasons Why Spyder Ryders Don't Wave Back
10. They'll NEVER be able to find the horn or turnsignal again, if they move their hand on the grip.
9. They keep a "Death Grip" on the bars in case of the dreaded DPS failure.
8. They were too busy trying to figure out how to change playlists on their I-Pod.
7. They were "Bluetoothing" with their dealer regarding the latest farkle delivery.
6. They couldn't find the "Auto-Wave" Button. (Hey; It's a Limited!)
5. Their passenger was distracting them with some nonsense about "Having to stop for a break"...
4. They were mentally rehearsing the "explanation", that they'll need to give their Spouse for the
last Farkling episode.
3. They were trying to remember the best way to cross Nebraska. (Answer: while asleep, in the back of a van!)
2. They were too terrified to take their eyes off of the display; lest the dreaded "Orange Screen of Death"
make an appearance.
1. You crossed paths while they were setting the cruise control, changing the voice on their GPS, raising
the windshield, and changing the volume on the radio.

Top Ten Reasons Why Conventional Trike Riders Don't Wave Back
10. Their arms were too tired to raise... no power steering!
9. Your "Unusual" configuration has them confused. They thought you were going the other way!
8. They just had hit a pothole, and felt their first bad "Head-Shake". They're not letting go of anything!
7. They are lost in thought: How much is their Trike worth on trade, for a new Spyder?
6. They're still laughing at thgemselves for trying to put their feet down at the last stoplight.
5. The last time they waved at a "foreign" bike; their riding buddies made them buy the beer!
4. Didn't know WHAT you were, as you went by.
3. They only wave at conventionals...
2. They thought that their passenger waved... (She was asleep!)
1. The glare from all of the chrome had them momentarily blinded.
 
Well... if this is gonna be about who waves; and who doesn't:

It's time to break this out again! :D


Top Ten Reasons Why Harley Riders Don't Wave Back
10. Afraid it will invalidate warranty.
9. Leather and studs make it too heavy to raise arm.
8. Refuse to wave to anyone whose bike is already paid for.
7. Afraid to let go of handlebars because they might vibrate off.
6. Rushing wind would blow scabs off the new tattoos.
5. Angry because they just took out second mortgage to pay luxury tax on new Harley.
4. Just discovered the fine print in owner's manual and realized H-D is partially owned by Honda.
3. Can't tell if other riders are waving or just reaching to cover their ears like everyone else.
2. Remembers the last time a Harley rider waved back, he impaled his hand on spiked helmet.
1. They're too tired from spending hours polishing all that chrome to lift their arms.

Top Ten Reasons Why Gold Wing Riders Don't Wave Back
10. Wasn't sure whether other rider was waving or making an obscene gesture.
9. Afraid might get frostbite if hand is removed from heated grip.
8. Has arthritis and the past 400 miles have made it difficult to raise arm.
7. Reflection from etched windshield momentarily blinded him.
6. The espresso machine just finished.
5. Was actually asleep when other rider waved.
4. Was in a three-way conference call with stockbroker and accessories dealer.
3. Was distracted by odd shaped blip on radar screen.
2. Was simultaneously adjusting the air suspension, seat height, programmable CD player,
seat temperature and satellite navigation system.
1. Couldn't find the "auto wave back" button on dashboard.

Top 10 Reasons Sport bikers Don't Wave:
10. They have not been riding long enough to know they're supposed to.
9. They're going too fast to have time enough to register the movement and respond.
8. You weren't wearing bright enough gear.
7. If they stick their arm out going that fast they'll rip it out of the socket.
6. They're too occupied with trying to get rid of their chicken strips.
5. They look way too cool with both hands on the bars or they don't want to unbalance
themselves while standing on the tank.
4. Their skin tight-Kevlar-ballistic-nylon-kangaroo-leather suits prevent any position other than fetal.
3. Raising an arm allows bugs into the armholes of their tank tops.
2. It's too hard to do one-handed stoppies.
1. They were too busy slipping their flip-flop back on.

Top Ten Reasons Why BMW Riders Don't Wave Back
10. New Aerostich suit too stiff to raise arm.
9. Removing a hand from the bars is considered "bad form."
8. Your bike isn't weird enough looking to justify acknowledgment.
7. Too sore from an 800-mile day on a stock "comfort" seat.
6. Too busy programming the GPS, monitoring radar, listening to ipod, XM, or talking on the cell phone.
5. He's an Iron Butt rider and you're not!.
4. Wires from Gerbings is too short.
3. You're not riding the "right kind" of BMW.
2. You haven't been properly introduced.
1. Afraid it will be misinterpreted as a friendly gesture.

Top Ten Reasons Why Dual Sport Riders Don't Wave Back
10. Vibration of knobby tires prevented the rider from taking his hand off the bars.
9. MX style safety gear was too bright to see you wave.
8. His front fender prevents you seeing him wave back.
7. Was too busy configuring his GPS/Enduro Roll/FishFinder.
6. His rain/wind/thorn/bug/bird proof thousand-dollar jacket won't allow it.
5. Was too busy re-arranging his 500 pounds of soft-sided luggage.
4. Doesn't recognize a wave in any language other than German.
3. Too busy splitting lanes/filtering through traffic.
2. One handed wheelies are not easy.
1. On single-track trails you stop, not wave.

Top Ten Reasons Why Spyder Ryders Don't Wave Back
10. They'll NEVER be able to find the horn or turnsignal again, if they move their hand on the grip.
9. They keep a "Death Grip" on the bars in case of the dreaded DPS failure.
8. They were too busy trying to figure out how to change playlists on their I-Pod.
7. They were "Bluetoothing" with their dealer regarding the latest farkle delivery.
6. They couldn't find the "Auto-Wave" Button. (Hey; It's a Limited!)
5. Their passenger was distracting them with some nonsense about "Having to stop for a break"...
4. They were mentally rehearsing the "explanation", that they'll need to give their Spouse for the
last Farkling episode.
3. They were trying to remember the best way to cross Nebraska. (Answer: while asleep, in the back of a van!)
2. They were too terrified to take their eyes off of the display; lest the dreaded "Orange Screen of Death"
make an appearance.
1. You crossed paths while they were setting the cruise control, changing the voice on their GPS, raising
the windshield, and changing the volume on the radio.

Top Ten Reasons Why Conventional Trike Riders Don't Wave Back
10. Their arms were too tired to raise... no power steering!
9. Your "Unusual" configuration has them confused. They thought you were going the other way!
8. They just had hit a pothole, and felt their first bad "Head-Shake". They're not letting go of anything!
7. They are lost in thought: How much is their Trike worth on trade, for a new Spyder?
6. They're still laughing at thgemselves for trying to put their feet down at the last stoplight.
5. The last time they waved at a "foreign" bike; their riding buddies made them buy the beer!
4. Didn't know WHAT you were, as you went by.
3. They only wave at conventionals...
2. They thought that their passenger waved... (She was asleep!)
1. The glare from all of the chrome had them momentarily blinded.

I had a feeling...and it would be just a matter of time. Good subject, and with new people coming on daily--they get to see what some of the regulars already know. :yes:
 
harley owners

I was talking to a long-time Harley owner a couple of weeks ago and he was very dissatisfied with his newest Harley. It's about three years old and all the parts are made in China or Taiwan. He says they don't hold up like the older made in USA parts. He bought the Harley because it's made in the USA, and is pretty ticked that the parts are imported.
 
You have to understand that HD is a clothing company that happens to also sell motorcycles. They make far more off T-shirts than they do from bikes.
They're not attracting new riders either.

But yes, all MC sales are down.. people don't have the disposable income they used to. BRP isn't immune to it either.

That being said, Polaris has sold more Indian motorcycles in the past year than all of their Victory sales were for the entire lifespan of the product(17 years). :yikes:

Totally agree with clothing company. A few of us have been waiting for the Hardly Rideable bubble to burst. Looks like it has and now rumours of them going to Thailand?
 
really !!!!!!!

i was going to say that most of you with negative comments are total ASSES but i decided not to i have four harleys and the clothing and use them all as much as possible new 17 cvo limited purchased in april now has 10600 miles on it and i love everything that they have done to it i also have an f3 which i also enjoy my wife has an rt she also enjoys as far as waving goes its not they bike its the person we wave at all by the way the harley wave is below the bar not above
 
I will say it
Dumb Asses
You sound more stuck up than
Any snobs I've heard in a while.
I love my RT
But I loved my ultra glide.
Many good memories.
What the $#%&@ is this site becoming?
 
Did I mention mini bikes-bultacos-hondas-bridgestones-goldwings-bicycle with a drop down on tire motor- Road King- Fat Boy- ultra Glide- yamaha- Kawasaki.
Rode em all. I am a Rider. Not a stick up my butt :agree:
Also- Spyder clothing department could take a few lessons
 
I sold my Electraglide because it was too heavy for me to pick up if I dropped it if I let it get too far off vertical, which happened occasionally when maneuvering in tight spots. I bought a V-Rod, which was great fun to ride short distances but would not handle long distance riding like my Electraglide did. It would have taken thousands of $$ to make the suspension compliant enough to handle touring distances and I would still be faced with not being able to carry enough stuff to tour like I wanted to do. Solution? Spyder F3 Limited! Comfort, range, cargo capacity, modern electronics like ABS and ESC for safety, reverse gear, 3-wheel stability and fun!
 
wow

i was going to say that most of you with negative comments are total ASSES but i decided not to i have four harleys and the clothing and use them all as much as possible new 17 cvo limited purchased in april now has 10600 miles on it and i love everything that they have done to it i also have an f3 which i also enjoy my wife has an rt she also enjoys as far as waving goes its not they bike its the person we wave at all by the way the harley wave is below the bar not above
{ I am south of you , near Louisville ky , if you need help with riding some of those Harleys , give me a shout :coffee: I have a yama , smaller cycle 2 wheels , but I do not think over 4 hours on it , long distance ride would do well , have really been looking at 1300 range cycle ! the street glide , or the Indiana chieftain just bouncing around in the thinking department :banghead: which one which one which one hahaha
 
:D Brand-Bashing is party of every owner's forum.
But it's a bit impolite to call folks 'Dumb Asses"... :lecturef_smilie:
When you feel the need to denigrate someone else's ride: are you doing it because you're a bit insecure about your own? :shocked:
Have some fun, and learn to laugh; it's all about sharing the road anyway! :thumbup:
 
:D Brand-Bashing is party of every owner's forum.
But it's a bit impolite to call folks 'Dumb Asses"... :lecturef_smilie:it's all about sharing the road anyway! :thumbup:
:agree:. Being a H-D touring bike rider from '96-'09, a GL1800 trike rider from '06-'14, and now a '15 RTL rider, I wave @every rider because we are all out there"in the wind". No matter how you shake it, these rides will set you back $30K, not including farkles. I think Harley made 2 bad business decisions:
1. they upped production to meet demand(of their shareholders) in the mid-late 1990s, then
2. failed to see that their price increases and not appealing to the younger generation(s) reduced their sales.
The rumor on the street is that they are looking at buying Ducati, so their financial position must be strong.
Mike
 
HD sales are dropping because HD machines are so grossly overpriced its become a joke. The competition in motorcycle manufacturers is fierce and people demand bang for their bucks. HD relies on "image" to sell their poorly built bikes and even millennial thumb suckers can see through the HD propaganda.
 
Sheesh...

I don't bash HD or any other bike anyone rides. HD builds some of the best looking bikes on the road and variety is the spice of life. Be pretty boring looking through the showrooms if all the bikes were the same wouldn't it? I like these forums because I can learn so much about whatever motorcycle I am riding at the time. They are a wealth of info and this is one of the better ones, but I will not participate in group rides or join any riding "clubs" because just like this thread all discussions end up in an argument and someone goes home with their panties in a wad. I'm not stuck up, I just don't want to listen to peoples crap all day while I try to enjoy a ride. This started as a thread about motorcycle sales being in a downward spiral, not just HD, but all models. When a discussion about motorcycles or motorcycling comes up it always involves HD because HD is the brand that EVERYONE recognizes. Hell, my six year old granddaughter can pick an HD out of the herd. Do I bash what you ride or how you ride it? Nope. Do I ride an HD? Nope. Do I wave at every motorcycle I see? Nope. Do I loose sleep over any of it? Nope. If that makes me a dumbass then so be it. If riders were as concerned about the health and well being of our sport as they are about who the hell waves at them we would be one great force with a very loud voice.
 
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