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What would you consider an appropriate charge for a full service shop to charge? I will admit $400 is more than we charge but I am willing to bet the dealer's labor rate is higher than mine as well. And when you answer, tell us how you come up with that cost.

Retail on the BRP Oil Change kit is now $209.99 and it's 1.5 hrs labor no matter how you slice it to do the full job. Yes, bulk oil and parts are a bit cheaper, but let's see your numbers.

I'm looking at the full BRP kit sitting in my Amazon cart right now.

BRP 9779484 Spyder 5W-40 Full Synthetic Oil Change Kit Rotax 1330 Engine $140 (free shipping), $127 at Partzilla ($15 for shipping).
 
I think the BRP dealers are likely obligated under contract to sell these things at MSRP when performing a service? Perhaps the dealer isn't completely to blame here.

Regarding Amazon and Partzilla, who knows what price they get the oil change kits from BRP? I suspect they aren't selling them at full retail MSRP either, their margins are probably thinner but their volumes are higher.

My dealer did warn me when buying my new Spyder this year that the first 3,000 mile service was going to be about $600. This was relatively normal for my Triumph and BMW motorcycles at their first services too.

My Range Rover dealer charges me about $350 for an oil change between actual service intervals, and I suspect their actual labor time is a bit less than BRP's as it's not a dry sump engine and therefore less hassle, it just takes a bit more oil.

Of course, if the dealer does everything they say they should do at that first service it's one thing, but if they just do an oil change and call it good, that's another thing entirely.
 
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