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White knuckle test ride - can I learn to like this? Buy newish or older/cheaper?

I was thinking the same thing. Get into it cheap and see what I like. Then, besides the forums, I see Ads like this. A 2013 for 4K because parts aren't available to fix it. https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1141442980247621/?ref=saved&referral_code=null

I'd be interested to know what it needs. We are fixing 2008 Spyders and up all the time. If they just called the dealership and were told that parts aren't available. That doesn't mean it's not fixable. Some dealerships will say this just because of the age. True, BRP has discontinued some parts for the older Spyders. But there are a lot of spare parts available if you know how to look for them. Though the 2013 RT is probably the worst Spyder BRP ever offered, (with the 2010 RT close behind). The downsides are easily upgraded and because the basic machine is good, it's not a deal killer.

For some, money is no object. But we've got extremely happy customers riding older machines and their wallet thanks them for it. Get in cheap and test the waters. Or jump in the deep end.
 
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Thanks. That's a lot of miles. But since I don't plan on touring to put a bunch on myself, a later model with more miles may be a better deal for me. Unlike cars where I looked for older models with low miles as a good deal.

24k on this Spyder is not high mileage at all. My riding buddy has a 2020 with 45K on his no problems.
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Short version:
Long time MC rider. Test rode Spyder RT yesterday. It scared the death out of me. Wife loved it.

Long version:

I don't do bike tours etc. Motor Cycle riding has always just been a means of transportation to get from A to B.
If I am going A to B, I might as well have fun doing it.

My latest bike, a 2001 Honda Reflex, just died on me after 23 years. Tranny out and can't find parts.
I ride the scooter because it was just easy to hop and go, and kept me out of speed concerns, lol, with my other bikes in the past like Honda V45, Triumph Triple, etc. It was just fun to hop and go. I enjoyed the 10 to 30 mile jaunts on it, versus taking a car.

I also have a Crossfire SRT6 at my winter house in Phoenix, which is also fun to run around on.

For my summer house, we moved further out in the country to be closer to grandkids. That means now I need to go 30 minutes or so to get to normal hang outs. I can take the interstate freeway which cuts it down to 22 minutes or back roads at 30+. Didn't like riding the Reflex on the freeway, even though I had years of doing so. Been doing more the SRT6 Crossfire the last few years, (which is now relocated to my winter house).

So, since the Reflex died. Time to upgrade. Could get nice new scooter, like a Suzuki Burgman or BMW C400, or even a low mile Reflex or Forza.

But I am thinking now more about safety, and at times I would like to take the freeway which is quicker. Safety is one of the reasons I bought the Crossfire in the first place, to have fun going A to B, with extra margin of safety, which put the Scooter into the shed a couple of years.

Anyway, thinking through it, I was thinking a Spyder could add more safety. We would have room for it in our garage, rather than bringing the Crossfire back up here as well. The other thing I thought is that maybe my wife might be interested. The Reflex used to be hers, but she never rode it much, which I was OK with, because I was concerned about her safety anyway. (She did ride it from Atlanta to MN 23 years ago when we bought it, and loved it, but has hardly been on it since, lol.)

So we went to try the Spyder yesterday. She knew nothing about them. To my shock, she loved it. She found it so comfortable. She loved to drive it and loved it as the passenger as well. It was so comfortable to her. She would never be the passenger on my other Motor Cycles.

Me on the other hand. It was harrowing. Hell, I have flown ultralights that I had more confidence in than the Spyder. It was just so unnatural. Situations I would ride the scooter on with no thought had my stomach in my throat on the Spyder. Hell with the traffic behind me, I am going slow because I don't know where this thing is going. Is it going to hit the guardrail or go into the other lane, I don't know. When my wife was driving and I was a passenger, I was scared to death she was going to hit the guardrail or wander off into other traffic as well.

I don't have experience riding a snowmobile. I think the one time I did ride 55 years ago I ran into a shed. I used to have powerful jet skis that would turn on a dime, but they didn't hurt me much when they threw me off into the water. It just wasn't fun for me. I am just recovering from a bad cold with headache issues, so it could be that. But I couldn't wait to get off that thing.

I thought my wife would feel the same after the ride. Ready to apologize for taking her through it. Like, well here we tried this thing, it was an experience, but it wasn't what we expected. Nope, just the opposite. She had the time of her life. She would love to get one, though she acknowledges that I would be the one who would need to ride most often, so it should be what I want. So it isn't a fight between us. Just that we don't want to disappoint each other.

Now what do I do?

Can I get used to riding one of these? Will it be fun, like hoping on the scooter and going?

It probably didn't help, that the first model I rode was a Ryker which was a squirrel all over the road. Maybe I just hadn't recovered from that?

For me, it was the concern with turning. Is this thing going to tip over? Can I control it? Also, that it is wide, so it would take up the whole lane with less margin of error hitting either side.

I think I just didn't understand it, to have confidence in it. I take it that I could take it sharper on turns and it not throw us off or tip? I mean even in the parking lot I am screaming to go slower because wife is heading for curb, and I am not sure she can turn in time.

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Then, also it comes down to what we should get, if I do go with one of these and believe it can be fun for me. She didn't find the F3 comfortable, and certainly not the Ryker. RT was just right for her. So that is settled.

I don't think we will ever go touring on it. But the storage would be great for grocery runs, and our jaunts to the pickleball courts with gear. So the RT is overkill, but it could be useful. I doubt we would put more than 1K on it each year. We put 22K on Reflex in 23 years and I no longer need to commute to work.

With such low envisioned usage, I would tend to want to go with an older model, but I hear of all the repair concerns and lack of parts after 10 years. I don't want to end up with a large paper weight.

Money is not a concern. But I do like deals and to be frugal, though I realize I am not going to live forever, and money ends up somewhere. It is hard to swallow that one of these is going to cost me more than the SRT6 Crossfire I bought for $13,500 eight years ago with 12K on the Odometer. A lot of fun that likely cost me nothing because it would sell for same or more right now. But it is what it is.

Should I spend $20K for 2021 or $8 to $11K for a 2012 or earlier?

You should've ridden my '18 RTL with the Baja Ron swaybar. Rock steady and a lot more pleasant to ride. You would've easily changed your mind.

I'd have your wife ride and you stay in the back to enjoy the scenery. Get a used '20 RTL and newer. Let her have her moment in the sun, LOL.
 
I wouldn't be afraid of the 2020. I had 50000 on my 2021, wife had 30000 on her 2021. I now have a 2024 with 22000 on it; rode to the Arctic Circle sign this month, 10000 miles round trip, 19 days, no problems.
 
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I jumped in the deep end, as BajaRon so eloquently puts it!

Went from a 2015 Road Glide to a 2023 RTL. And, if I am 100% completely honest, because my RTL is "my" red. Had no intention of buying a 3-wheeler any time soon, just wandering the dealership while hubby was dealing with the service department for his Triumph Rocket 3GT. (routine service) Saw the red one, fell in love with the color and like most of my favorite things, impulse bought. (Okay, it took a couple weeks - I ended up with a '23 instead of the '24 I looked at, and I sold the RG instead of trading it in.) That said, the first few weeks I had it I was kicking myself and really angry for buying something I had no intention of getting and didn't want to ride. Now, I hop on it for almost everything. I use it like a golf cart and go everywhere. I grocery shop on her (her name is Marsali), and I found out this weekend that I can pack an entire case of wine in the frunk and top case, and I now haul hubby's stuff around too, so that he doesn't have to have the big tour pack on his RG.

Same complaints you had - felt like it was all over the road, awkward in corners, just flat scary! Now, having lowered the air pressure in the front tires to the BRP recommended 18 (from the dealer's 28), and loosening up on the grips, I'm more comfortable. I've got the BajaRon Ultimate anti-sway bar to install, but haven't done it yet. This past weekend, I caught myself grinning like a fool going around corners feeling like it's drifting! I've got almost 3000 miles on her since May 15.

I hate the turn signal switch, though. Give me my Harley switches back... lol
 
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Great Story, @mickimause! And not uncommon. I felt the biggest fool possible during my 'Break In' period learning to ride the Spyder as designed instead of trying to ride it like I though it should be ridden. I discovered that trying to drive a square peg into a round hole is not very rewarding. (Where have I heard that before?) :rolleyes:

Jumping into the deep end is what I did as well. But then in July of 2007, there wasn't any other end of the pool to try. Nothing wrong with the deep end. It's simply that now there are viable alternatives.

Give us a call before you install that Ultra-Bar as we've updated the install instructions.
 
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Great Story! And not uncommon. I felt the biggest fool possible during my 'Break In' period learning to ride the Spyder as designed instead of trying to ride it like I though it should be ridden. I discovered that trying to drive a square peg into a round hole is not very rewarding. (Where have I heard that before?) :rolleyes:

Jumping into the deep end is what I did as well. But then in July of 2007, there wasn't any other end of the pool to try. Nothing wrong with the deep end. It's simply that there are viable alternatives.

Give us a call before you install that Ultra-Bar as we've updated the install instructions.

Gotta love those good ol days when the Spyder was so new the critics in the major m/c magazines even got them wrong. It was fun to read the early reviews after I got mine. I even got to put the folks at Rider straight one time. And they even printed the article.
 
Gotta love those good ol days when the Spyder was so new the critics in the major m/c magazines even got them wrong. It was fun to read the early reviews after I got mine. I even got to put the folks at Rider straight one time. And they even printed the article.

OK, well, don't leave us hanging! What did you straighten them out on?
 
If you decide on a scooter, get a Burgman 400. I rode them for several years, handled interstate speed and turbulence easily.
 
OK. Took the plunge. Bought and rode home a nice 2014 RT Limited.

Easy. Peasy. No problem riding, and a fun ride.

Thanks for all the advice everyone!

I think the first ride was affected a lot by my being ill at the time. And didn't help that the shop was right on a highway, under construction, with cars buzzing by, with narrow turns and cement enbakements.

Very steady smooth ride with some progression on my turns.
 
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:congrats: Welcome to our world, find some noncongested county blacktop roads and enjoy the first few hundred miles. Get all the miles in you can before our unpredictable Minnesota style winter gets started.

Life is Good,:thumbup: Bill
 
I'm 71, with 56 years of solid motorbike racing, riding, and touring. My wife also loves the rear on the Spyder. I injured a leg, so just made a decision, sold my KTM1290 SA-S, and bought a brand new 2024 Spyder RT. I'm now three weeks into ownership, have covered 550 miles of UK **** roads, and I'm just getting a little feel of love, but it's no good comparing this Can Am to a motorbike.. it's a beast of its own! It's half Goldwing and half Ski Doo, and yes, it's a weird thing to press on a spirited ride with my pals on 2-wheels. I'm not sure yet if it thrills me enough, but at least I'm out there not worrying about my weak legs. Take a look at my videos - youtube@flapjackandbeans Another thing, by heck you get the piss taken out from motorbike riders, but I don't let that bother me, it's my £34k I've spent, not theirs!
 
Give it time, both of you, FlyingBoat & flapjackandbeans!! There are many of us here with similar stories, altho maybe the age & or years of riding might differ slightly in the numbers, and I'd think it safe to say that most of us took a bit of a while/a whole bunch of saddle time to truly come to grips with the differences! Some may have caught on to the basic differences in 'riding characteristics' and handling etc a bit quicker than others, but to really start to get the best from the specific advantages of a Spyder over the 2-wheelers we've spent so many years getting used to generally takes a bit longer, and you hafta want to do it and work a bit harder at it if you really want to start showing a clean pair of heels to just about any 2-wheel rider through the twisties & the short straights - but give it time, persistence, and learning the necessary 'body english' that YOU hafta put into it, and you can do just that! :lecturef_smilie:

All the 2-wheel riders I used to hang with initially gave me a lot of grief when I first turned up on a Spyder, and those who didn't know me may have even initially suggested that I should ride towards the back of the group on our weekly rides thru the winding gorge roads with short straights that abound in the local 'Hills' we have around here, 'just so I don't slow any of the 2-wheelers up too much'... But after spending a ride or two with nothing but a Spyder filling their rear-view mirrors, hurrying them along; out-braking them at every corner; carrying more speed into and getting on the gas earlier coming out of every corner &/or hair-pin bend; they didn't do that for too long! 😄

I'm not saying I'm a great rider, far from it, but I am stubborn! After copping a Traumatic Brain Injury & other injuries that forced me to retire hurt, permanently, the Medical world told me that I'd never walk again... OK, it took me almost 2 years to learn to walk anything like properly again, and I still can't move all that fast or walk far at all; but even with a crock like me aboard, now that I've graduated from just sitting on my RT and cruising along, riding it without putting much effort into it at all, and instead I've learnt how to move my weight around to take advantage of the better stability, traction, and braking that all our Spyders have, so that those features which make these 3-wheelers such a fun thing to ride can truly shine thru; well these days, they put me out front and then they all try their hardest just to keep up!! And the ONLY times they ever do that is once the tight corners & short straights start opening out into sweeping curves and long straights; or if I stop for a coffee to wait for them - and even then, I'm usually thinking about my getting my second cuppa before they get their bikes parked! nojoke

Sure, Spyders are a different machine to ride; they aren't so intuitive as a 2-wheeler, they aren't built with 'ultimate speed' in mind (just lookit the bleedin' black, vaguely round, 'excuses for tires' they leave the factory with if you don't believe that! :p ) and they do take more effort to really push to their limits, cos they don't have a dirty great centrifuge at each end that works to keep you on & upright when the centrifugal forces of hard cornering are trying their damnedest to throw you off the outside of any corner; but they DO have a massive 'contact patch' advantage; a significant traction advantage as a result; and possibly three times the braking force on tap! So if you want to ride them 'spiritedly', once you learn how & where to put your weight to take advantage of all that, and you become confident in the way the Spyder works, including how, amongst other things, the Nanny will stop you from flipping the Spyder even if you do lift that inside wheel a foot off the ground half way thru a tight hairpin bend when you're going faster than just about anyone could on a 2-wheeler, then you'll really start to laugh at all your poor deluded mates who are still riding around on their much harder to turn 2-wheeled bikes!!

And if you ever get comfortable enough on a Spyder to get an ECU upgrade that unleashes even just a little of the extra power and torque that both Rotax engines could provide but BRP decided that you couldn't safely handle, then you'll find there's a whole new set of thrills and you'll REAALLLY start sporting that 'Miles of Smiles' grin that those of us who've been riding longer go on about!! 😊

Just Sayin' (y)
 
Flying boat, I know exactly what you're going through, having ridden 2 wheelers for most of my life. There's definitely a learning curve! There's no counter steering. And you're leaning is only to make yourself comfortable as you steer the bike through a curve like you steer a quad. If you hold on too hard to the handlebars, don't let the bike move underneath you or you'll start getting the squirreliness... Probably took me through 3-500 miles and watching videos on YouTube from people like Coach Bob. Now I feel like there's nothing that could tip the Spyder over. I'm probably pushing 8,000 miles now and I'm totally comfortable on this bike.

I went into the dealership to buy a beautiful red 2019 RTL. Loved it, decided to test drive the 2020 next to it, and never looked back. Get a 2020 or newer, the geometry is much better.
Sorry about the poor talk to text.
 
If you ride less than a thousand miles a year you will never learn the quirks of a Ryker or a Spyder. So, don't get frustrated with "buyers remorse" by purchasing a machine that you will never understand. Your wife sounds like she is ready for more adventures and is open to learning the advantages of three wheels. We'll look forward to her reports.
 
The only thing I can say about getting comfortable on a Spyder is my own experience. I am 83 years young and have never ridden a motorcycle except for one time over almost 60 years ago and had to lay it down due a stupid driver. I just purchased a 2021 Spyder RT back in Nov and have tried to ride it anytime the weather permits (I live in Idaho).

Now I must admit I rode 4 wheelers in some fairly gnarly situations for over 13 years before the doctor said no more, hence the Spyder. I'm not saying the experience helped me on the Spyder, but it sure didn't hurt. I'm still a little careful on sharp corners, but I think that will eventually pass. However, if you are not comfortable on the Spyder and don't think you ever will be, then find something else. When the doctor told me either stop riding trails or back surgery would be in my future, it took me a couple of months to stop. Basically, I lost my confidence in my riding due to the doctors warning, and I became a very poor off-road rider. In other words, I was putting myself in danger because I lost my confidence.
 
OK. Took the plunge. Bought and rode home a nice 2014 RT Limited.

Easy. Peasy. No problem riding, and a fun ride.

Thanks for all the advice everyone!

I think the first ride was affected a lot by my being ill at the time. And didn't help that the shop was right on a highway, under construction, with cars buzzing by, with narrow turns and cement enbakements.

Very steady smooth ride with some progression on my turns.
That is good news! For my worthless opinion, I think you did it just right. Get a well maintained older Spyder. If you love it, you can always get your money back and move up. If you hate it, no big hole in your wallet.

I've yet to meet someone who gave the Spyder an honest chance that didn't end up liking the ride. I know you're out there, just haven't run into you yet. But I've met tons of people (including myself) who absolutely hated their early Spyder experience. But went on to say it's the best ride they've ever owned.

Glad you were able to join the group.
 
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