When I bought my Spyder in 2021 I was brand new to 3 wheelers, having just decided that after 40 years on 2 wheels a change was needed. At the dealership I sat down on an F3, and then on an RT and based upon that momentary impression, decided to go with the RT. I have been more than happy with my RT, and do not regret not going for the RTL since I have not missed having a top box, and never liked the feel of heated seats so I was glad I saved $4K with the basic RT (and an added passenger backrest). But other than the slightly different seating position, I really don't know what differentiates the F3 from the RT. Especially looking at the F3 Limited, it seems almost idential to the RTL. I'm curious as to what motivated others to go the f3 direction.
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Why buy an F3 rather than an RT?
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BLUEKNIGHT911
Sadly Passed Oct 2024 - RIP
If storage volume ( and or passenger comfort ) are not a consideration ..... then it comes down to " how it feels " to the opr. .... JMHO .... Mike :thumbup:
BajaRon
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The F3 is a totally different ride, in my opinion. The difference between a Cadillac and a Cobra GT. Well, maybe not that drastic. But definitely in that direction. I'm an F3 guy. I also prefer the manual to the SE. Though that is no longer an option. But I've got a 2015 F3. The best year (again, in my opinion).
Some things make your decision for you. If you're going to ride any distance 2-up. Then you are going to want an RT. If you are a single rider, like myself. Or an occasional 2-up for no more than day rides. An F3 could be in your ballpark. Then again, some ride 2-up long distance on a Ryker. Rare, but it happens. Now those people, I do not understand. But if it lights your fire, then grab your matches and have fun!
As always, it boils down to what you want most. Everything is a tradeoff. You have to give something up to get something else. The trick is to give up something you didn't want anyway.
Some things make your decision for you. If you're going to ride any distance 2-up. Then you are going to want an RT. If you are a single rider, like myself. Or an occasional 2-up for no more than day rides. An F3 could be in your ballpark. Then again, some ride 2-up long distance on a Ryker. Rare, but it happens. Now those people, I do not understand. But if it lights your fire, then grab your matches and have fun!
As always, it boils down to what you want most. Everything is a tradeoff. You have to give something up to get something else. The trick is to give up something you didn't want anyway.
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ARtraveler
R.I.P. Dwayne
I am one of those that switched from the RT to the F3. We went with the Limited versions, since we were accustomed to the side luggage and the top box in the rear.
My first impressions of the F3 were similar to yours. I did not like the ergo's. Of course it was not set up in the proper position for me to ride comfortable. My adjustments were "short reach" bars (the longer ones), brake position #2, and the oversize brake pedal.
I got "good" deals on both my 2019 and the 2020's. I bought them sight unseen, and not test driven from i-Motorsports. Back then...the deals were good. They took my trades, both times, and delivered the brand new F3L's right to my home.
Now that I have been driving F3's since 2020, I am very happy with them. Compared to the Spyder RT's (I have had three), I like the lower center of gravity, and great control in the twisties. I have used the following comparison. You sit ON an RT and you sit IN the F3. The RT ride is like a Cadillac, and sitting on a comfortable sofa. The F3 ride is more like a Jaguar and we feel a "part of the ride."
The prices are not that far apart these days, and that is not surprising. The F3 is not LESS of a Spyder than the RT. It is a "different" feel and a different ride. For me and Linda, we have liked our F3's better.
Sadly, my health has stepped in and we have since sold the 2019. The 2020 is still up for sale.
https://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?156267-ARtravelers-2020-F3-Limited
My first impressions of the F3 were similar to yours. I did not like the ergo's. Of course it was not set up in the proper position for me to ride comfortable. My adjustments were "short reach" bars (the longer ones), brake position #2, and the oversize brake pedal.
I got "good" deals on both my 2019 and the 2020's. I bought them sight unseen, and not test driven from i-Motorsports. Back then...the deals were good. They took my trades, both times, and delivered the brand new F3L's right to my home.
Now that I have been driving F3's since 2020, I am very happy with them. Compared to the Spyder RT's (I have had three), I like the lower center of gravity, and great control in the twisties. I have used the following comparison. You sit ON an RT and you sit IN the F3. The RT ride is like a Cadillac, and sitting on a comfortable sofa. The F3 ride is more like a Jaguar and we feel a "part of the ride."
The prices are not that far apart these days, and that is not surprising. The F3 is not LESS of a Spyder than the RT. It is a "different" feel and a different ride. For me and Linda, we have liked our F3's better.
Sadly, my health has stepped in and we have since sold the 2019. The 2020 is still up for sale.
https://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?156267-ARtravelers-2020-F3-Limited
narygancy
New member
I agree with BajaRon. From the first time I saw an F3 I was in love. Low-slung, feet-forward, basically it just looks cool. Recently I sat on an RT in the showroom and loved the comfort, but I rode my F3 home.
My riding is mostly 1-up with regular 2-up for a few hours, so the comfort level suits me fine. If I ever decide to do long distance, that'll be different. That said, once a year we do a longer ride with our group and the F3 is fine for that.
I usually liken my decision to the woman I married. From the first time I saw her I knew she was "the one" (she still is). Same with Miss Scarlett, first time I saw her for sale I wanted to take her home (and I did). Its a guy thing.
My riding is mostly 1-up with regular 2-up for a few hours, so the comfort level suits me fine. If I ever decide to do long distance, that'll be different. That said, once a year we do a longer ride with our group and the F3 is fine for that.
I usually liken my decision to the woman I married. From the first time I saw her I knew she was "the one" (she still is). Same with Miss Scarlett, first time I saw her for sale I wanted to take her home (and I did). Its a guy thing.
troop
Well-known member
I'm just the opposite. I bought my 2019 F3S new and just recently bought a new RT S2S. After 900 miles on the RT, I'm still not used to sitting on the RT versus in the F3S. That said, like Baja Ron stated, I am liking the cush of the RT more/more for when I travel. Boils down to what you want out of it most..
blacklightning
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It is all up to the individuals personal taste. I have a F3 and a 2021 RTL. I do not need the rear trunk for luggage, but it is great for when the wife rides. Keep in mind that the ride and level of comfort is very different on the 2010-2019 RT vs the 2020+ RT.
Deanna777
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I went from an 2014 RTS-SE 6 to a 2023 F3 LTD Special Series.
The reason I went to the 2023 F3 LTD Special Series was the price( I traded my 2014 RTS-SE6 because it needed the belt which had cogs missing and it was not driveable and the PIN replaced and my old :spyder2: was 9 years old) at the time. Plus my current spyder was on the sales floor at the dealership.
The F3 has the U-fit System, the ride is between the F3 LTD and the RTL is about the same. My 2023 F3 LTD Special Series handles the corners better then the RTL. My 2023 F3 LTD Special Series ,I sit lower and I am in a more relaxed position. I am also stretched out more. I am also 5 ft. 7 inches tall. I could have gone with an RT, but decided not to, because I am retired.
My first spyder was a 2012 RTS-SE5, traded/upgraded to a 2014 RTS-SE6 SOLD. My current :spyder2: is a 2023 F3 LTD Special Series Mineral Blue.
Also, my current spyder( 2023 F3 LTD Special Series ) has an automatic air ride system, short reach handlebars, fog lights, comfort seat.
Deanna
The reason I went to the 2023 F3 LTD Special Series was the price( I traded my 2014 RTS-SE6 because it needed the belt which had cogs missing and it was not driveable and the PIN replaced and my old :spyder2: was 9 years old) at the time. Plus my current spyder was on the sales floor at the dealership.
The F3 has the U-fit System, the ride is between the F3 LTD and the RTL is about the same. My 2023 F3 LTD Special Series handles the corners better then the RTL. My 2023 F3 LTD Special Series ,I sit lower and I am in a more relaxed position. I am also stretched out more. I am also 5 ft. 7 inches tall. I could have gone with an RT, but decided not to, because I am retired.
My first spyder was a 2012 RTS-SE5, traded/upgraded to a 2014 RTS-SE6 SOLD. My current :spyder2: is a 2023 F3 LTD Special Series Mineral Blue.
Also, my current spyder( 2023 F3 LTD Special Series ) has an automatic air ride system, short reach handlebars, fog lights, comfort seat.
Deanna
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Peteoz
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The major spec differences between the RT-L and F3-L are longer rear shock travel, electric adjustable windshield, LED lights (although I haven’t checked the ‘23 F3 model for lighting), longer stock floorboards, better element protection. I’m a taller, larger rider, and I have to say I prefer the RT-L over the F3-L, which I owned previously, for touring…….but we are all different, with different drivers 
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Pete
.Pete
My first Spyder was a 2020 RT Limited. First impression was that now I am sitting on top of a bike and not down in it. Always had the feeling that bike wanted to throw me off due to that sensation. the handlebar was such that my riding position was like sitting straight up. I now have a 2022 F3L Special. I now feel like I am part of the bike and taking turns much more comfortable. The handlebars are more rearward and I feel like I am riding my previous Harleys. The comfort seat that is standard on the Special is nice and comfortable on rides lasting up to 14 hours- 7775 mile stretches. I given up some stowage space up front but do not miss the twin radiators that acted like road vacuums collecting all the junk on the roads. F3L is the one for me.
BajaRon
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It is an interesting study in the human psyche that most people think they are riding the best option. Many don't understand how others can enjoy something else. But that just means the machine you have checks most, if not all, of your boxes. We just have different sets of boxes to check. And that's the same story for everyone.
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Deanna777
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The major spec differences between the RT-L and F3-L are longer rear shock travel, electric adjustable windshield, LED lights (although I haven’t checked the ‘23 F3 model for lighting), longer stock floorboards, better element protection. I’m a taller, larger rider, and I have to say I prefer the RT-L over the F3-L, which I owned previously, for touring…….but we are all different, with different drivers
Pete
Pete,
The 2023 LTD Special Series has fog lights, heated handgrips( driver/passenger) short windshield, comfort seat, headlights, takes the corners very well.
My current :spyder2: is the 2023 F3 LTD Special Series Mineral Blue Matte.
Deanna
Deanna
My first 3-wheeler was a Ryker Rally which I really enjoyed. At some point, my wife decided that she enjoyed riding with me (she would never get on the 2-wheeler) and it became clear that we needed something more comfortable for longer rides. We looked at the F3L and the RT and settled on a gently used F3L. Like others have stated, I felt more comfortable with the lower center of gravity on the F3L and the sportier look was more appealing to me. I didn’t spend enough time on the RT to compare overall comfort, but coming off the Ryker made the F3L feel like heaven. We’ve done several full day trips with no complaints. They’re both beautiful machines…
Quickdraw
Member
I'm not sure how the 2020 F3 rides but I can tell you I do like the way the RT rides. After putting a Corbin seat on it, I like it even better. Once I swap out the rear shock with an Elka, I'm sure I'll like it even more. I don't like the air shock and definitely hate that I have to keep taking the seat off to make sure the air pressure is correct. BRP could have dont a better job there.
Sure it's big and with the wife loving her Ryker, I probably won't be doing much 2-up riding, but I don't care. With my back the way it is, comfort is the way for me, so I'm happy with my purchase. As others have stated, it's personal preference and what works for your situation.
Sure it's big and with the wife loving her Ryker, I probably won't be doing much 2-up riding, but I don't care. With my back the way it is, comfort is the way for me, so I'm happy with my purchase. As others have stated, it's personal preference and what works for your situation.
Gwolf
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It is all about what you want. You can pack just as much on an F3 as you can one of the models set up as touring machines. I have all kinds of woven nylon, heavy duty bags, that will strap on. I have always liked the fast, stripped down models. When I rode Harleys, I never owned a bagger. I put large saddle bags on one of my Sportsters, and then took them back off, because I did not like them on there. They were in the way of checking the tire, keeping an eye on the belt, and just didn't feel right. I did go touring on Sportsters, and without saddle bags. Run up 10,000 to 15,000 miles some summers. I pack light and carry the minimum with me. When I was younger, I rode the light, fast sport bikes, and never wanted to ride a full dresser. It is good that there is a choice. Everybody can ride what they like. I am 74 years old now, and I ride an F3-S Special Series, without windshield, only the gauge spoiler on it. It has no permanent bags. Got a small tank bag and nylon bag that straps to the pax seat. It is what I like. Fast, noisy, and simple........ if any modern bike, could ever be considered simple.
My wife (passenger) wanted to be able to see forward over top of my helmet and the F3L allowed this. Riding is an activity shared by both of us and her requirements are as important as mine. We ride two up quite often and she didn’t want to spend much of her time leaning to the side to see forward. I also appreciate that I have another set of eyes scanning forward. In fact, her seeing forward was probably a deal breaker and if the F3 didn’t allow this I would still be riding my old bike or found one that allowed this.
The F3 seating position is more cruiser like which is what I was coming from and preferred. I also do a reasonable amount of work on my bikes and the F3 has less tupperware making it easier to access.
As stated above I transitioned from a cruiser to an F3 and am very happy. A buddy of mine transitioned from a Goldwing to an RT and he is also happy.
Poasttown
2019 F3L
The F3 seating position is more cruiser like which is what I was coming from and preferred. I also do a reasonable amount of work on my bikes and the F3 has less tupperware making it easier to access.
As stated above I transitioned from a cruiser to an F3 and am very happy. A buddy of mine transitioned from a Goldwing to an RT and he is also happy.
Poasttown
2019 F3L
Peteoz
Well-known member
It’s great to hear that your F3 has headlights, Deanna……..otherwise it would make night riding tricky, to say the least:yikes::roflblack:
Pete
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