I have a 2015 RTS, replaced the rear tire, changed from a Kenda to a Vredestein 205/60/15 per recommendations from the group. I'm now in limp mode! The codes are C006C (ECM module, VSS module), C003A (wheel speed sensor), C1290 (VCM voltage failure) and P2159 (vehicle speed not plausible). I took it into a dealership and they have replaced the ABS sensor and mentioned that bc I had an aftermarket rotor on there it's possibly not reading correctly. They replaced that as well. They now said that it's due to the age of the Spyder and they get really finicky and it's just the tire and I will need to have the Kenda put back in for it to run correctly. Has anyone else had issues with replacing the stock tire with a different size and has any advice for me. I really would rather not go back to the Kenda.
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Help - new tires and wheel speed sensor errors - Limp Mode with Codes C006C, C003A, C1290, & P2159. Anyone else? Any advice?
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EdMat
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Your dealer just feed you a long line of BS. An aftermarket brake rotor would have no effect. Probably what happened is when the wheel sensor was removed the shims fell off or were not put back on correctly, causing the sensor to sensor wheel to be distanced incorrectly. Worst case, it would require the sensor to be replaced IF it made contact with the sensor wheel. Best case would be the installation of the needed shims to get the spacing right. The tire, any tire, has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Long version. That little slotted disk that spins with the wheel is the sensor wheel. The sensor pulses each time one of those slots passes by and it feeds that information back to the computers that use it. For the sensor to develop this pulse, it must be placed almost touching the wheel. I forget the correct measurement. Too far away and it does not pick up the slots. Too close and it confuses it. Too Too close and it crashes into the sensor wheel!
Long version. That little slotted disk that spins with the wheel is the sensor wheel. The sensor pulses each time one of those slots passes by and it feeds that information back to the computers that use it. For the sensor to develop this pulse, it must be placed almost touching the wheel. I forget the correct measurement. Too far away and it does not pick up the slots. Too close and it confuses it. Too Too close and it crashes into the sensor wheel!
Snowbelt Spyder
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It may sound pretty far-fetched, but Smoak had an RT come in the other week, (yours?) where the person that did the tire change/rotor change, didn’t put the ABS sensor ring (tone ring) back on the wheel. Only had a brake rotor on in. So there’s that.
Otherwise, as Ed said, the dealer was BS’ing you. Was it an actual tech, or just a service writer? The little ABS sensor should extend slightly through the mounting bracket. A good ballpark clearance between the sensor face and the tab on the sensor ring is .060” plus or minus .005” (not the exact spec, I don’t have the manual here, but it is in the band). Add or remove shims between the sensor and mounting bracket as required. If you are missing all of your shims, the new sensor may even have gotten wiped out, too, by coming in contact with the ring.
Who did the tire change work, you or someone else?
Once everything is right, you’ll need to ride it a short ways to clear the faults.
Otherwise, as Ed said, the dealer was BS’ing you. Was it an actual tech, or just a service writer? The little ABS sensor should extend slightly through the mounting bracket. A good ballpark clearance between the sensor face and the tab on the sensor ring is .060” plus or minus .005” (not the exact spec, I don’t have the manual here, but it is in the band). Add or remove shims between the sensor and mounting bracket as required. If you are missing all of your shims, the new sensor may even have gotten wiped out, too, by coming in contact with the ring.
Who did the tire change work, you or someone else?
Once everything is right, you’ll need to ride it a short ways to clear the faults.
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TheMariner
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Oh what B.S. That dealer should be outed for giving such crazy instructions.
NorwegianRT
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B.S. indeed, can the bike know what tyres are on?
My RT has had just one set of Kenda tyres cause they came mounted on the bike when I bought it.
Now I have Vredesteins on front and Nankang on rear. All mounted by the Can Am dealer without any questions.
My RT has had just one set of Kenda tyres cause they came mounted on the bike when I bought it.
Now I have Vredesteins on front and Nankang on rear. All mounted by the Can Am dealer without any questions.
Little Blue
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Wow!!! I believe that the Dealer/Tech has NO Clue about this problem. As someone already said what the real problem is on this Forum. If you are able to make the repairs, I would do it. If you are Not able find someone who can help.
Maybe this Dealer will work with you. Tell him that you know what the problem is and the fix.
Sometimes you can get lucky.
Definitely Not a tire problem.
Good Luck on Your Mission.
Mikey
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Can you give us a picture of your tire, and brake assembly?
Thank you guys for the replies. I figured, since I did what other people had done in here, something was fishy. I live on the Oregon Coast with a lack of dealerships around and I don't believe there's anyone around to actually help. I did the work myself with the guidance of YouTube. The place is in Vancouver, WA. Procaliber Sports about 2.5 hours from me, so I can't take pictures right now. I tried to take it to another dealership as well for a tire change to Vredestein, but both said they wouldn't do it, hence why I did it. Now I'm regretting it. They did put a new ABS sensor on, so I'd imagine they have measured the spacing of the wheel sensor when installing it. I did not speak directly to the tech, I'll give 'em a call and try to nicely inform the tech of what seems to be the issue. Will update.
Snoking1127
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The lead Spyder mechanic there is very good. He puts out a lot of Youtube videos on the Spyder.
Snowbelt Spyder
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So, coincidently, here is a 2015 RT at Pro-Caliber with ABS sensor issues. Is this your Spyder in this video?
If so, then the original issue was that the ABS trigger ring is completely missing. If you did the work, then you know who is responsible for that. Talk about having left over parts. I saw that you were in Oregon which is why I asked if it was yours. In the next video, Shawn takes the bike out and the sensor fails high, hence the replacement. But, it all started with the missing ABS ring. It was NEVER a tire issue. Watch both videos. You have to be careful when talking to service writers, and in this case, the tech is not clueless. There’s a lot more to this story than what was initially indicated.
In defense of Shawn’s OCD about car tires on a Spyder. He hates them. But, he has his opinions, just like others on here have their opinions about various things. It doesn’t mean you can’t learn from him. If this is your bike, he’s not very kind to you, either. There’s a lot going on with this machine. When working on your machine in the future, use your phone and take “before” pictures. If it’s not your bike, take pictures, anyway.
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Yes! That's mine. I bought it about a few years ago out here on the coast and decided to change the tire over right away. Haven't been able to ride it since and has been sitting in the garage. My mechanic buddy and I did the work, definitely did not see any leftover parts, must've knocked it off somewhere. Haven't done any other work on it besides the exhaust when we put on the tire. I never had anything bad to say about the tech at all or the store, they've been super friendly. I'm just relaying what I've been told over the phone by the service people. I've been told nothing else other than I had a non oem "rotor" so they replaced the ABS sensor and they want to change the tire back, that's it. I was told I needed to put the Kenda on, so I came here to ask for options. But seeing as how much work it needs I'm sure no one could relay that information over the phone. The video is extremely informative and I see I'm in good hands to get this bag of bones back up and running.
The update is that the service guy is recommending a tire change back to the Kenda and I've just been going along with whatever they recommend. So back to the Kenda.
Little Blue
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I would NOT go to a Kenda tire.
The tire is Not the problem for this Spyder.
But it is your Spyder and you can do whatever makes you happy.
Little Blue
SpyderLovers Ambassador
The Tire is definitely NOT the problem..
The Video posted is very informative and very helpful. Maybe have the Service Writer and the Technician
Watch the Video.
They both need training.
Those are all my thoughts.
Good Luck with Your Mission.
The Video posted is very informative and very helpful. Maybe have the Service Writer and the Technician
Watch the Video.
They both need training.
Those are all my thoughts.
Good Luck with Your Mission.
I'm going to defend them here. Everyone has been very friendly, but communication has been a lil confusing. The technician is the one who made the video. He seems VERY informed and skilled. Looking back, I'm sure the service writer is just waiting for all the information before updating me and maybe just dumbing down the info for me. I am not a pro and I trust everything they're doing. The sensor has already been replaced along with many other parts. I was just frustrated with the immediate recommendation for an OEM tire to be put on bc of the many folk in this forum who have added a different tire and have been fine. My only guess is the bike has been going on 2 months in the shop and we all just want to get it running so if that requires the OEM tire for whatever reason right now, then so be it.The Tire is definitely NOT the problem..
The Video posted is very informative and very helpful. Maybe have the Service Writer and the Technician
Watch the Video.
They both need training.
Those are all my thoughts.
Good Luck with Your Mission.
What is the census on using the balance beads? I was sold on the idea that since I couldn't have the tire balanced at a shop here, then the beads would be needed.
This thing has sat for multiple years and it would be nice to ride it finally. We will see what comes of this. Thank you guys again for all the info!
Woodaddict
Active member
From the video there is the Centramatic wheel ring balancer on there already, so you don't need balance beads. It's under the brake rotor and slotted disk, unless he took it off.
DONT THROW AWAY THE VED tire!! Keep it. And another vote to NOT put on Kenda. You can still tell them what to do or not. Ved tire is superior tire
DONT THROW AWAY THE VED tire!! Keep it. And another vote to NOT put on Kenda. You can still tell them what to do or not. Ved tire is superior tire
Centramatic wheel ring balancer is what I meant then, not balance beads. I do not have the Spyder back yet and dont know what combo of tire and ring balancer they've tried yet.
I plan on keeping the tire absolutely and once I get it going for a while, I will re-visit the idea of the vredestein back on eventually if they end up taking it off.
BajaRon
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I did not watch the video. But this is a very confusing story. Are we saying that the Tone Ring was missing? When you replace the rear rotor, that part must be transferred. But you would know right away as you'd be getting codes. Or was it just that the speed sensor needed to be replaced? As mentioned before. If the sensor was impacted by something during the tire service, that would be enough to damage it.
It's not the Vredestein tire (which several have pointed out). It just isn't. We've put a few hundred of them on, not to mention other aftermarket tires, with just 1 issue, which is unrelated to this problem.
I can't imagine that it's the aftermarket rotor, though I'm not there so I can't be sure. I do not know of an aftermarket rotor that is as poor quality as the OEM product fitted from the factory. To be fair, most are fine with the OEM rotors. But they are just above the bare minimum on the quality scale, (my opinion).
I hope they aren't just throwing parts at the problem, hoping to get lucky. Admittedly, we all do it. But the items sighted here just don't fit the bill.
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