Key Cloning?

[NorCalBud]

I seem to have lost one of the 2 keys I got with my '12 RTL. I understand the key has a chip of some kind in it. Can I just take the remaining key to my dealer and have it cloned or is it more complicated than that? Are dealers the only ones who can create these kind of keys? Any idea what the general cost would be for this process?

 

[Bob Denman]

http://www.motorcyclekeys.com/apriliachipkey.html
This guy can clone your key... :thumbup:
He WILL need your only key; so it's best to take care of this chore when you won't be riding! :shocked:

(You've got a 2012, so it'll work. He can't do this for the new 2014 bikes; they use a different (TP-12 Crypto chip), that he doesn't have the equipment for...)

 

[Pennyrick]

I seem to have lost one of the 2 keys I got with my '12 RTL. I understand the key has a chip of some kind in it. Can I just take the remaining key to my dealer and have it cloned or is it more complicated than that? Are dealers the only ones who can create these kind of keys? Any idea what the general cost would be for this process?

1. I bought a blank from the dealer and I think it was $50 but that included the eventual programming cost.

2. Then took it to a key shop to have it cut the same as my existing key for $10.

3. Then back to the dealer to have the chip programmed to my Spyder.

If your dealer has a key machine you can eliminate step two.

 

[NorCalBud]

WHAT for a KEY????

I just got off the phone with 1 of my 2 local dealers. They want $50 for just the key alone and $60 to program it! Waaaa???:yikes:
I don't like being nickel and dimed, but I really HATE being mugged!!!

 

[joebryanjr]

The risk of sending your key to someone to "clone" is if it fails you may have 2keys that do not work and no way to start the Spyder.
the keys are expensive, but about the same for automobiles with chips. Programming is also similar and requires that the Spyder be there along with the key. A really good dealer might program it for free. I had 2 done and it only took a few minutes.

 

[Chupaca]

Little checking..!!

blanks online are $7.99 kwick keys charges $35.00 to clone it. They also have the blanks for a bit more. These keys are the same ones used on the Aprillas. Not sure if the 2014 cloning has been mastered yet but will. Spending hundreds of dollars for a key is criminal...:joke: But really...

 

[Bob Denman]

It still appears that cloning a key for a 2014 isn't ready to happen yet... :banghead:
Take your chipped blank, and your bike to a dealer for the programming... :thumbup:

EDIT: I've sent out some emails, for further clarification on cloning, versus programming... :thumbup:

 

[NorCalBud]

It still appears that cloning a key for a 2014 isn't ready to happen yet... :banghead:
Take your chipped blank, and your bike to a dealer for the programming... :thumbup:

EDIT: I've sent out some emails, for further clarification on cloning, versus programming... :thumbup:

So are you saying that there is a difference between Cloning and Programming and it not being 2 words for the same definition? Huh....Now I'm curious 'cuz I thought it was!
Cloning implies needing an original to get the properties from, perhaps Programming you can provide the properties from another source, such as a database housing the information. Just a thought....

 

[billrob71]

Good luck with what you do but remember if you loose the other a tow bill to the dealer is almost as much as the and cloning in a lot of instances

 

[Gray Ghost]

So are you saying that there is a difference between Cloning and Programming and it not being 2 words for the same definition? Huh....Now I'm curious 'cuz I thought it was!
Cloning implies needing an original to get the properties from, perhaps Programming you can provide the properties from another source, such as a database housing the information. Just a thought....

Your two options (I am restating some things here, just for clarification)
1. Order a new key from Can-Am. It will come with a code already on the key. Have the key duplicated (cut), then have your dealer (or someone else with a master key) program your spyder to recognize the new key as valid. The process requires that your original key and Spyder be present (when programming ALL keys that you want the byke to recognize have to go through the process). If you loose all the keys, they have to replace your security system.

2. Order one of the Aprila keys referenced in a previous post (or more than one). That key will have no code on the chip and it cannot be used in programming with the Master Key as referenced in option 1. When the key comes in, find someone who can cut the key and clone it to your original key. I have had five of these Aprila keys cut and cloned, they work fine. I have used ACE hardware to cut and clone some of the keys and when the local guy decided that they wouldn't clone any key that they did not provide, I went to Lowes and they cloned it. If you use this option, your Spyder thinks that the Aprila key is your original key so there is no need to have someone use a Master Key to add it to your system. I can verify that the system will not successfully complete the process if you try to throw one of the Aprilas in the mix. (I have a Master Key and tried it).

Using option 2, I paid roughly $7 for the key, $5 to cut it, and I think the highest I paid to get one cloned was about $5 also.

 

[Bobw1]

KEY CLONE

I PURCHASED KEY BLANK WENT TO LOCAL LOCKSMITH 7.50 CUT AND PROGRAMMED. COPYED MY ORIGINAL CHIP NOW HAVE 3 KEYS. WODLD NOT SEND ONLY KEY ANYWARE. BOB

 

[NorCalBud]

Your two options (I am restating some things here, just for clarification)
1. Order a new key from Can-Am. It will come with a code already on the key. Have the key duplicated (cut), then have your dealer (or someone else with a master key) program your spyder to recognize the new key as valid. The process requires that your original key and Spyder be present (when programming ALL keys that you want the byke to recognize have to go through the process). If you loose all the keys, they have to replace your security system.

2. Order one of the Aprila keys referenced in a previous post (or more than one). That key will have no code on the chip and it cannot be used in programming with the Master Key as referenced in option 1. When the key comes in, find someone who can cut the key and clone it to your original key. I have had five of these Aprila keys cut and cloned, they work fine. I have used ACE hardware to cut and clone some of the keys and when the local guy decided that they wouldn't clone any key that they did not provide, I went to Lowes and they cloned it. If you use this option, your Spyder thinks that the Aprila key is your original key so there is no need to have someone use a Master Key to add it to your system. I can verify that the system will not successfully complete the process if you try to throw one of the Aprilas in the mix. (I have a Master Key and tried it).

Using option 2, I paid roughly $7 for the key, $5 to cut it, and I think the highest I paid to get one cloned was about $5 also.

I apologize for my ignorance, but I'm not quite following the "Master Key" part. So the programming happens to the Spyder not the key?
Is the "Master Key" used on the Spyder to recognize separate keys with Separate Codes on them and that is know as Programmed?
And if I order the Aprilia Keys, the Spyder just recognizes them as the same key with the same code as the one I have remaining and that is Cloned?
Are there any advantage to having separate codes on the keys?

 

[Gray Ghost]

I apologize for my ignorance, but I'm not quite following the "Master Key" part. So the programming happens to the Spyder not the key?
Is the "Master Key" used on the Spyder to recognize separate keys with Separate Codes on them and that is know as Programmed?
And if I order the Aprilia Keys, the Spyder just recognizes them as the same key with the same code as the one I have remaining and that is Cloned?
Are there any advantage to having separate codes on the keys?

Prior to 2014, if you wanted to get a new key added to your Spyder, you would have to purchase a Can-Am key and take all your keys to a dealer. The process they used was a sequence of inserting a currently working key, then inserting a "Master Key", a special key that puts the security system in the learning mode, then inserting every key you have for the byke. When the process is over (successfully) only those keys that were part of the process would be able to operate your Spyder.

All the Can-Am keys already have a code programmed on their chip, the programming process with the Master Key just adds all the legitimate codes to the table of the security system that recognizes what keys should be allowed. One of the neat things about that is that a two Spyder household could, if they so desired, have their bykes programmed to accept any of the Spyder keys they own.

The Aprila keys come with a blank chip, so by taking it to a place that can clone keys, you can have the code used by your original Spyder key copied onto the Aprila. And after that your Spyder thinks that they are the same key. In my case I have clones of both my original keys. If I lose original key "A" and at some point add another Can-Am key using the Master Key process, the clones of key A will no longer work.

I hope this clears it up somewhat.

 

[Zenagirl]

Clone key

I just got off the phone with 1 of my 2 local dealers. They want $50 for just the key alone and $60 to program it! Waaaa???:yikes:
I don't like being nickel and dimed, but I really HATE being mugged!!!

Your dealer is ripping you OFF!! I just got my key cloned at Enumclaw Power Sports in Enumclaw WA today. I had to buy the blank key for $54.00, take it elsewhere to be cut ($3.00) and then return to the dealership to have the chip programed. The programing was included in the original price of my key. I have a 2013 ST. Try to find another dealership to do your key or let your dealership know that you realize you shouldn't be charged for the programing. They will need both of your keys to do the chip programing. Also, there have been posts that I've seen where Ladies on the GOS site have found other places that will do the key much cheaper including the price for the blank. Good Luck!

I didn't see Grey Ghost's response before posting this. Thanks your clarification re: the process of copying, cloning, and using the Aprila keys and where to get them done. I panic about losing keys (lost one) and hate the $54 price for each new one and I do want several more copies. Know I know what I can do. Thanks again!

 

[Dan_Ashley]

I just got off the phone with 1 of my 2 local dealers. They want $50 for just the key alone and $60 to program it! Waaaa???:yikes:
I don't like being nickel and dimed, but I really HATE being mugged!!!

Automobile keys are programmed to the car. The process actually changes the programming on the chip inside the key.

On the Spyder the key is not changed to match the Spyder. The Spyder computer can recognize up to four keys. Each one has to go through a process when the Spyder is hooked up to the maintenance computer (BUDS). If you program the Spyder to one key, you have to program all of them at the same time, otherwise it will accept only the one programmed.

Automobile process: Change the key to match the car.
Spyder Process: Change the Spyder's computer to match the key.

So, you have to be careful about people saying they can clone the key. I tried them, and it did not work on my 2012 RT-S.

 

[Gray Ghost]

Actually Dan, your information is not correct. Prior to 2014 models use the Master Key, not BUDS, to add keys for a total of four. 2014 models use BUDS to add keys and are not restricted to four.

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[Dan_Ashley]

Actually Dan, your information is not correct. Prior to 2014 models use the Master Key, not BUDS, to add keys for a total of four. 2014 models use BUDS to add keys and are not restricted to four.

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oh ok. My bad...sorry.

 

[Bob Denman]

I have ordered one of the Aprilia key blanks (unchipped), and the correct crypto-chip...
When my bike goes in for service; I'll take it, and both keys along...
We'll see if the dealer can make it work. :thumbup:

 

[NorCalBud]

I just took the hit!

On Saturday I went to my closest dealer and was told it was $48 for the key and about $60 for the programming as well.
I got the opportunity to discuss this with one of the owners who brought it down to $33 (the best he could do). Not the best deal, I thought, but needed to get that key done.
Now.... try to find any locksmith with a storefront and who is open on Saturday!!! I found only 1 and they were only open for 3 hours (Mobile is $95 min). I dashed the 25 miles there and they cut it for me for a more than reasonable $4.86.
Back to the Dealer and they took about 10 minutes and my other $33 to complete the process.....
Done deal...(it is what it is)....

 

[Knarfoh]

I seem to have lost one of the 2 keys I got with my '12 RTL. I understand the key has a chip of some kind in it. Can I just take the remaining key to my dealer and have it cloned or is it more complicated than that? Are dealers the only ones who can create these kind of keys? Any idea what the general cost would be for this process?

Here is my story...

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Prior to 2014, the key for your vehicle used a blank with a standard T5 chip. Almost any good locksmith can program a key chipped with a T5. THEY JUST MAY NOT KNOW IT AND THEY WILL TELL YOU THEY CAN'T. MAKE SURE YOU EXPLAIN IT IS A STANDARD T5 CHIP!

I would not send off your key like I did (I still had my 2 keys when I did this). I would buy couple of blanks and have them cloned and cut locally.

I see some people are claiming the dealer is charging too much. $50 for the blank and another $50+ for the programming was pretty much what I was quoted to by my local dealer. When a dealer does the work - he is not cloning your key. The lost key could come into the hands of someone wanting to steal your Spyder (or already has?). They will want to reprogram your Spyder and the keys so the the codes are entirely different then when you bought your Spyder. That is actually smart if you don't know who has the "lost" key.

If you know you dropped your key in the Grand Canyon or the Ocean, don't worry about it and have the keys cloned. A lot cheaper!