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OMG did you see this today
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spacetiger
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Saw it on the news this morning; perhaps his 1st young girl he instructed and he didn't suspect she'd loose her grip with the left hand... and forgot how the gun pulls to the side.
Tragic indeed.
Jerry
Tragic indeed.
Jerry
Bob Denman
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:agree: A senseless tragedy... Our prayers go out to all of those that were involved... 
ray:ray:
As an Instructor; I'm appalled that anyone would put a fully-auto into the hands of a child... They lack the hand strength and capacity to fully understand just what the firearm is going to do under those circumstances.
..22s... yes...
Much beyond that, and you end up with a little girl who'll never forget what happened... :shocked:
Senseless...
ray:ray:As an Instructor; I'm appalled that anyone would put a fully-auto into the hands of a child... They lack the hand strength and capacity to fully understand just what the firearm is going to do under those circumstances.
..22s... yes...
Much beyond that, and you end up with a little girl who'll never forget what happened... :shocked:
Senseless...
spydaman60
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:agree: the poor little girl will never be the same. psychologists and counceling will only prolong the memory of the event! so sad!!ray:ray:
ray:ray:
ChasCS
New member
Sad but stuff happens! Yes
My thoughts, even if a little harsh. Well, the idiot that handed her the loaded weapon, got what was coming to him. Not!!
This is how accidents usually happen, isn't it? An innocent well meaning intention, turns tragic. Who's fault is it really, the kid? Yeah Oh my, how tragic. WTF. Not a question. Stupidity.
There are no children in firearm safety programs.
There should be no small weak children handling heavy duty firearms. Girls boys none, never.
Hand your car keys to the tots too? Why not...
Let them shoot arrows...
But please Use your common sense.
Another waste of a life, and of my time discussing it. YMMV! So feel free to differ.
Chas
My thoughts, even if a little harsh. Well, the idiot that handed her the loaded weapon, got what was coming to him. Not!!
This is how accidents usually happen, isn't it? An innocent well meaning intention, turns tragic. Who's fault is it really, the kid? Yeah Oh my, how tragic. WTF. Not a question. Stupidity.
There are no children in firearm safety programs.
There should be no small weak children handling heavy duty firearms. Girls boys none, never.
Hand your car keys to the tots too? Why not...
Let them shoot arrows...
But please Use your common sense.
Another waste of a life, and of my time discussing it. YMMV! So feel free to differ.
Chas
SNOOPY
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Princeau99
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This was so sad. no winners
Most gun ranges I go to do not allow rapid fire due to recoil creep. Fully auto with a 9mm? may be hard for a lot of people to control.
Most gun ranges I go to do not allow rapid fire due to recoil creep. Fully auto with a 9mm? may be hard for a lot of people to control.
ARtraveler
R.I.P. Dwayne
I am guessing we are going to have some interesting banter on this thread.
My only comment, what were the parents and the instructor thinking? The child needs to know how to fire an UZI because...?
Some things are better left to older persons.
My only comment, what were the parents and the instructor thinking? The child needs to know how to fire an UZI because...?
Some things are better left to older persons.
Bob Denman
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The trick to the UZI...
...is the compact size! :shocked:
It makes it pretty tough to keep that short barrel downrange, when "rock& roll" mode has been chosen.
:gaah:
...is the compact size! :shocked:
It makes it pretty tough to keep that short barrel downrange, when "rock& roll" mode has been chosen.
:gaah:
SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN
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who the hell would give a little kid a gun much less an automatic!?
i want to know what the nra will say about something like this, will they defend the childs right to use an automatic , smoke & drink perhaps while driving a large gas guzzling suv on the way to the range.
bullant12
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I agree with teaching children at a young age about gun safety and introducing them on how they work . I can see starting at that age (9) using an air rifle or a small caliber rifle. But an Uzi?!?!?!:banghead:
What really got me was the press stating that no charges were not going to be filed on the girl... can somebody even explain WHY the press had to release that statement if they already reported it as an accident and even showed the video?!?!?! Just the trauma the girl and both families have to endure is tragic enough!
What really got me was the press stating that no charges were not going to be filed on the girl... can somebody even explain WHY the press had to release that statement if they already reported it as an accident and even showed the video?!?!?! Just the trauma the girl and both families have to endure is tragic enough!
Bob Denman
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The NRA is about protecting the individual's right to own firearms; when legally allowed to do so.
It is a right that carries with it; :lecturef_smilie: a tremendous responsibility!
Just because something can be done; doesn't mean that it's wise to do it.
That's pretty much true with everything about your entire life.
It applies even more to firearms, because when things go wrong; it makes Page 1. :shocked:
Fully automatic firearms are not the problem here; it's the lack of common sense used by the people who should have been watching over that little girl.
In Arizona; you can do this; that's not true here in Noo Yawk... :shocked: (Sullivan Act...)
bullant12
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:agree:That is basically what starts creating problems and issues, not only with firearms, but most anything in life.
Common sense is almost a super power: not many people don't know how to use it.
ChasCS
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Nightline on ABC, did a great segment last night
I didn't know that it was normal practice to have young, very young children on live firing lines. But apparently the NRA, does condone and even promotes safe gun lessons for American youth.
The problem with the topic at hand, the girl had no prior training it seemed. The family were on a driving vacation, and happened upon the shooting range that also taught kids and would allow very small children be taught the correct and safe methods of handling weapons.
So they foolishly allowed a rank amateur, this kid with no previous experience a loaded machine gun and let her pull the trigger. Unknowing what could go wrong. It was an accident ready and waiting for the right opportunity to go very wrong. Yes it's a tragedy, but it could have been easily prevented too. Someone in authority should have had a hand on the weapon, at all times.
It was sad for me, to see all the little girls on there last night, with their pink assault rifles...
I am all for safe gun practice, and if children are taught the safety and dangers of guns, perhaps there will be less tragedy from accidental firings in the future. But they are advancing way too fast, for the ages of them students. IMHO
Chas
I didn't know that it was normal practice to have young, very young children on live firing lines. But apparently the NRA, does condone and even promotes safe gun lessons for American youth.
The problem with the topic at hand, the girl had no prior training it seemed. The family were on a driving vacation, and happened upon the shooting range that also taught kids and would allow very small children be taught the correct and safe methods of handling weapons.
So they foolishly allowed a rank amateur, this kid with no previous experience a loaded machine gun and let her pull the trigger. Unknowing what could go wrong. It was an accident ready and waiting for the right opportunity to go very wrong. Yes it's a tragedy, but it could have been easily prevented too. Someone in authority should have had a hand on the weapon, at all times.
It was sad for me, to see all the little girls on there last night, with their pink assault rifles...
I am all for safe gun practice, and if children are taught the safety and dangers of guns, perhaps there will be less tragedy from accidental firings in the future. But they are advancing way too fast, for the ages of them students. IMHO
Chas
Bob Denman
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Please Google the NRA's "Eddie Eagle" program...
I taught it for years, and the message is VERY clear!
:lecturef_smilie:
Stop
Don't Touch
Leave The Area
Tell An Adult!
I taught it for years, and the message is VERY clear!
:lecturef_smilie:
Stop
Don't Touch
Leave The Area
Tell An Adult!
ahh-cool
Member
I agree with everything you said except for "he got what was coming to him".
That's a little drastic
ChasCS
New member
Read my first line
And you left off the all important "Not!"
How come the omission, does it help make your statement valid?
I said it was harsh, up front, Good man.
By the way, Have You taken the firearm safety courses, and passed like I have, with 94% and 98% respectfully. Both restricted and non restricted firearms programs. Hands on, I got one question wrong in both, and still felt bad .
I know my firearms very well, and even though a valuable life was lost, a more valuable lesson was taught nation wide. The whole first world listened. Probably not worth the loss, to wake up a nation. But if that's what it takes to get you thinking clearly, so be it.
I didn't hand her the loaded weapon, nor did I pull the trigger, and yet you want to vent on me? Hahaha, what about her father?
Chas
And you left off the all important "Not!"
How come the omission, does it help make your statement valid?
I said it was harsh, up front, Good man.
By the way, Have You taken the firearm safety courses, and passed like I have, with 94% and 98% respectfully. Both restricted and non restricted firearms programs. Hands on, I got one question wrong in both, and still felt bad .
I know my firearms very well, and even though a valuable life was lost, a more valuable lesson was taught nation wide. The whole first world listened. Probably not worth the loss, to wake up a nation. But if that's what it takes to get you thinking clearly, so be it.
I didn't hand her the loaded weapon, nor did I pull the trigger, and yet you want to vent on me? Hahaha, what about her father?
Chas
NoLmtz
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Just saw the video... what a tragedy for that little girl... the emotional and psychological scars will never leave her. But I can only pray that this is part of the Lords journey for her, who knows what kind of good can shape out of this tragedy for her in her future.
Now, I live in Texas where it seems everyone has a gun and the hospital hands them out to newborn babies... not really, don't get excited! But with all the variety of exposures everyone is having to weapons (i.e. video games, TV, movies, zombie stuff, etc.) people are getting numb to what they really are... tools that can inflict the worse kind of damage. It seems everyone wants a gun because they are 'cool' but without proper training you can get deadly hurt!
So, is it tragic for the instructor, yes, sort-of... he knew the risks and/or was not experienced enough to know the physiological restrictions that exponentially increase the risks when a CHILD is using a fully-automatic weapon. And the range owner said what he had to say to protect himself, but I think this incident is stupid and reflective of the insensitivity to the extreme violence guns can and should be used.
And don't even get me started on these concealed carry courses... you've got yahoo's from all over going to a 1-day course and can now carry weapons, thinking they are the next savior to a terrorist attack. Unless you've had military training or go through a 4-week course I don't think you should be able to carry. 1-day doesn't get you any experience in target acquisition and gun control in high stress environments... it gets you dead... you have 4x the chance of dying than someone without a gun because when you pull yours out to issue justice, guess what... you're now the target for the bad guy!
So, long winded diatribe about how society is exacerbating stupidity through lack of common sense and legal limits, bringing down the overall collective IQ. I feel horrible for this little girl and pray good comes out of it, but I feel sorry for the instructor and the parents for not having the common sense to think a 9 yr old with a fully automatic weapon could lead to problems.
Woohoo, I'm shooting zombies!!!:yikes:
Now, I live in Texas where it seems everyone has a gun and the hospital hands them out to newborn babies... not really, don't get excited! But with all the variety of exposures everyone is having to weapons (i.e. video games, TV, movies, zombie stuff, etc.) people are getting numb to what they really are... tools that can inflict the worse kind of damage. It seems everyone wants a gun because they are 'cool' but without proper training you can get deadly hurt!
So, is it tragic for the instructor, yes, sort-of... he knew the risks and/or was not experienced enough to know the physiological restrictions that exponentially increase the risks when a CHILD is using a fully-automatic weapon. And the range owner said what he had to say to protect himself, but I think this incident is stupid and reflective of the insensitivity to the extreme violence guns can and should be used.
And don't even get me started on these concealed carry courses... you've got yahoo's from all over going to a 1-day course and can now carry weapons, thinking they are the next savior to a terrorist attack. Unless you've had military training or go through a 4-week course I don't think you should be able to carry. 1-day doesn't get you any experience in target acquisition and gun control in high stress environments... it gets you dead... you have 4x the chance of dying than someone without a gun because when you pull yours out to issue justice, guess what... you're now the target for the bad guy!
So, long winded diatribe about how society is exacerbating stupidity through lack of common sense and legal limits, bringing down the overall collective IQ. I feel horrible for this little girl and pray good comes out of it, but I feel sorry for the instructor and the parents for not having the common sense to think a 9 yr old with a fully automatic weapon could lead to problems.
Woohoo, I'm shooting zombies!!!:yikes:
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