What are these Brake pad "liners" called and where can we order new ones?

[Chebber]

We changed our brake pads today. On one of our bikes, the black liners, that go on back of the pad, are a bit burned. You can see cross weave fabric on one side of it. What are these called and where can we order new ones? I've googled and searched this site and come up empty.

 

[IGETAROUND]

you can live without those pads just fine.

Al in Kazoo

 

[Snowbelt Spyder]

We changed our brake pads today. On one of our bikes, the black liners, that go on back of the pad, are a bit burned. You can see cross weave fabric on one side of it. What are these called and where can we order new ones? I've googled and searched this site and come up empty.

You have two 2013 Spyders. Starting in that year, BRP put the Brembo brake system on these machines. Calipers, pads and rotors. Most consider Brembo to be the best braking system on the planet. Thus, starting in 2013, there is no such thing as BRP pads and BRP rotors. They are Brembo calipers, Brembo pads, and Brembo rotors.

If you had ordered pads through the BRP supply system, you would have received genuine Brembo pads. These are fully sintered pads, of course. These come from Brembo with that backing material on them. It is a noise suppression material design to suppress or stop the squeal. It is not available separately. In order to save money, you've chosen to put aftermarket pads into the best braking system on the planet, so you get what you get. It was your decision, of course. Hope it lives up to your expectations. Make sure you use another noise suppression product on the pads to stop the squeal. Otherwise, people will hear you coming a block away.

Apparently, one of your machines, either has the original Brembo pads still on it, or the backing material was popped off of the original pad, and re-used on the replacement pad in the past. In most cases that will work. But, if you want a brand new piece of that noise suppression material, you're going to have to order Brembo pads through the BRP parts system.

And by the way, the parking brake mechanism that is built into the rear caliper, is also a Brembo design, and is a self-adjusting mechanism to account for brake pad wear. That’s why you don’t have to re-adjust the parking brake cable. It is also why you have to screw the piston back in, rather than just push it back in, when you replace the rear pads. You are reseting the adjustment mechanism. Just in case you were interested.

So, as Al said, now that you have money invested in after-market pads, you can live, or have to live without it. Just use another product to stop the squeal.

Just thought this topic deserved an explanation.

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[Chebber]

Yep we chose EBC pads per a well know and trusted Spyderlovers member. Not to save money, but to use the best pads.

 

[TheMariner]

You have two 2013 Spyders. Starting in that year, BRP put the Brembo brake system on these machines. Calipers, pads and rotors. Most consider Brembo to be the best braking system on the planet. Thus, starting in 2013, there is no such thing as BRP pads and BRP rotors. They are Brembo calipers, Brembo pads, and Brembo rotors.

If you had ordered pads through the BRP supply system, you would have received genuine Brembo pads. These are fully sintered pads, of course. These come from Brembo with that backing material on them. It is a noise suppression material design to suppress or stop the squeal. It is not available separately. In order to save money, you've chosen to put aftermarket pads into the best braking system on the planet, so you get what you get. It was your decision, of course. Hope it lives up to your expectations. Make sure you use another noise suppression product on the pads to stop the squeal. Otherwise, people will hear you coming a block away.

Apparently, one of your machines, either has the original Brembo pads still on it, or the backing material was popped off of the original pad, and re-used on the replacement pad in the past. In most cases that will work. But, if you want a brand new piece of that noise suppression material, you're going to have to order Brembo pads through the BRP parts system.

And by the way, the parking brake mechanism that is built into the rear caliper, is also a Brembo design, and is a self-adjusting mechanism to account for brake pad wear. That’s why you don’t have to re-adjust the parking brake cable. It is also why you have to screw the piston back in, rather than just push it back in, when you replace the rear pads. You are reseting the adjustment mechanism. Just in case you were interested.

So, as Al said, now that you have money invested in after-market pads, you can live, or have to live without it. Just use another product to stop the squeal.

Just thought this topic deserved an explanation. With that, Mr. Chairman, I yield back.

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An excellent explanation from someone who knows his stuff, as always. Thanks @Snowbelt Spyder

 

[KX5062]

Those items are called brake pad shims or anti-squeal shims. IMO, EBC HH pads are better quality than the OEM Brembo units, and don't really require those shims. (Brembo pads are good, but are prone to squealing.). However, you can reinstall the shims onto the EBC pads if you want. It's always a good idea to put some anti-squeal compound onto the back of the pads no matter the brand.

 

[Chebber]

Those items are called brake pad shims or anti-squeal shims. IMO, EBC HH pads are better quality than the OEM Brembo units, and don't really require those shims. (Brembo pads are good, but are prone to squealing.). However, you can reinstall the shims onto the EBC pads if you want. It's always a good idea to put some anti-squeal compound onto the back of the pads no matter the brand.

Thank you for that sage advice. We did use the old shims and added compound to the back. They are working wonderfully.

 

[AbNormy]

That anti squeal Gel they sell for car brakes works good. You just need to let the gel stuff harden before putting the pads back in the calipers.

 

[BajaRon]

I edited this post because it may contain wrong information. If so, I apologize. (See post # 13. A lucky number if I ever saw one!)

 

[Snowbelt Spyder]

I am sorry, Snowbelt Spyder. But the rotors on a Can-Am Spyder have never changed. They are a BRP sourced product, not Brembo. They are soft and subject to warpage. As far as I know, Brembo does not make a rotor for the Spyder.

I’m sorry Ron. But the rotors on the Spyder changed in 2013. That’s a picture ( above) of the Brembo logo taken right from my right front rotor on my Spyder. It would be pretty ballsy of them to counterfeit the Brembo trademark on an outsourced product from someone else, don't you think? I think Brembo's legal department would be interested. Brembo web site also advertises that they supply the calipers, pads and rotors for the Spyder. Now, I know I can’t make people believe it if they don't want to, and I know it’s a personal decision if a person wants to use EBC parts instead. I can only supply the information, ie pictures, so a person can have all the information. I'm going to move on and leave it up to the individual to make up their own mind of what's what.

 

[IGETAROUND]

I’m sorry Ron. But the rotors on the Spyder changed in 2013. That’s a picture ( above) of the Brembo logo taken right from my right front rotor on my Spyder. It would be pretty ballsy of them to counterfeit the Brembo trademark on an outsourced product from someone else, don't you think? I think Brembo's legal department would be interested. Brembo web site also advertises that they supply the calipers, pads and rotors for the Spyder. Now, I know I can’t make people believe it if they don't want to, and I know it’s a personal decision if a person wants to use EBC parts instead. I can only supply the information, ie pictures, so a person can have all the information. I'm going to move on and leave it up to the individual to make up their own mind of what's what.

Just was at the Brembo website; only thing available for spyders are brake pads, not rotors, calipers or anything else . But perhaps I'm not a good searcher

Al in Kazoo

 

[Peter Aawen]

Just was at the Brembo website; only thing available for spyders are brake pads, not rotors, calipers or anything else . But perhaps I'm not a good searcher

Al in Kazoo

It's not your Searching prowess at all, that's just the way it is!

Brembo has some agreement/contract with BRP (probably on BRP's insistence) that prohibits them selling parts for Spyder Brakes - so if you want to go OEM replacement, you are forced to go to BRP and pay thru the nose for the privilege; or you need to work out what Brembo components will work on your Spyder, cos Brembo won't (or can't, contractually ) tell you &/or sell them as 'Spyder parts'!

Just Sayin'

 

[BajaRon]

I’m sorry Ron. But the rotors on the Spyder changed in 2013. That’s a picture ( above) of the Brembo logo taken right from my right front rotor on my Spyder. It would be pretty ballsy of them to counterfeit the Brembo trademark on an outsourced product from someone else, don't you think? I think Brembo's legal department would be interested. Brembo web site also advertises that they supply the calipers, pads and rotors for the Spyder. Now, I know I can’t make people believe it if they don't want to, and I know it’s a personal decision if a person wants to use EBC parts instead. I can only supply the information, ie pictures, so a person can have all the information. I'm going to move on and leave it up to the individual to make up their own mind of what's what.

You are correct, Snowbelt Spyder. It does appear that OEM rotors on 2013 and later (Brembo equipped) brake systems are a Brembo product. As you point out, they do have the official Brembo logo stamped into them.

Unfortunately, this, in my opinion, actually makes things worse. Still, I apologize for not being more diligent in my research before replying to your original post.

I went by my experience. And, like IGETAROUND, I was not able to find any reference anywhere to a Brembo rotor for the Spyder. But it is hard to argue with the imprinted logo.

The 'Worse' comment above is generated from experience. Because we have replaced a good many 2013 and later rotors due to warpage. Some customers have warped more than 1 set of OEM (Brembo) rotors. We've always replaced them with EBC rotors with excellent results. One customer had warped 3 OEM rotors over time. On the 4th failure, he purchased EBC rotors from us and never had another problem.

I agree that Brembo is know for their high quality products. Another reason I felt the OEM units were not produced by Brembo. Yet the facts are that EBC rotors for the Spyder are of a superior quality. They stop better, wear longer, and have superior resistance to warpage. Not a result that I would expect compared to a Brembo product.

 

[KX5062]

What it could be is the rotors are made in the same Chinese factory as other Can Am parts and they're only produced under license. So, they really aren't Brembo.

 

[pegasus1300]

They could also be Brembo parts but made to BRP specs.

 

[BajaRon]

What it could be is the rotors are made in the same Chinese factory as other Can Am parts and they're only produced under license. So, they really aren't Brembo.

They could also be Brembo parts but made to BRP specs.

I considered both possibilities. But I already got burnt with one error. I didn't want to add to that score. Though I suspect that one of you may be correct. Honestly, I would expect better quality from Brembo.

 

[pegasus1300]

There really is no "knowing" here. All we know thru experience is that they are not available from Brembo and they don't seem to be up to Brembo standards. We know EBC rotors are because, again they have shown their worth.