The finger is doing better

[Lamonster]

I've had a lot of folks ask how the finger is doing and I appreciate that. It's nice to know people care. :thumbup:

It's feelin better and I'm having less pain now. It still looks pretty ugly but so do I. The first two pics is how it looked yesterday.
http://www.bigbikeriders.com/forum/album.php?albumid=71

 

[bjt]

That's good. I'm going to get my good report from the doctor this afternoon. Through prayers and good nursing from dltang, I'm sure I'm healing real good. :2thumbs: In those pics, was the fifth pic your attacker admiring his handiwork? :yikes:

 

[Lamonster]

In those pics, was the fifth pic your attacker admiring his handiwork? :yikes:

That was me having a talk with Toby after I got back. I will never look at a big dog the same I can tell you that for sure. I love animals and hate to be afraid of anything so this is something I have to work through. That was me trying to get my head right. It didn't work.

 

[xpeschon]

Holy Crap!!!! Man dude...

X-Joe

 

[dave01]

Dad, I told you I wanted BEGGIN STRIPS not FINGER TIPS. Get it right and I better get some next time.

Seriously though, Glad to hear its getting better:2thumbs:

 

[chris56]

hi lamont - looks like an happy-hand-end...you can see it so:
have a friend who lost his left thumb many years ago - he loved to drive my old GS-ME .. now he came for the first RT-SE testdrive - found out there are a lot of nobs .. (so be happy that your thumbs are ok )
on the other side he gets nervous if he just sees a dog - I made a therapy with him and our ones - his wife couldn`t beleive when he was caress
our maggy on our BBQ last weekend..

 

[MarkLawson]

Ouch!

I had no idea you had a problem with your finger. What happened? (I'm guessing it had to do with a dog...)

Praying for swift & complete healing.

 

[Firefly]

OUCH! and double OUCH!

Gawd that make me hurt just seeing it!

I love dogs too... but typically have had the most problems with the little ones--- not the big ones.

Unfortunately some dogs just are not 'wired' right from the factory-- their Canine-Bus system has a short.

Adult dogs who have issues like this typically cannot be re-socialized to the point of being safe around humans..... so putting them down is pretty standard--- with good reason.

I got nipped when petting a rotty once who was a just a pup--- the owner threw the dog on his back-got in his face telling him NO BITE -- then made me go back to petting him-- anywhere and everywhere. The dog and I were best buds ever since then. Proper social skills start young.

Good luck!

 

[IWN2RYD]

That was me having a talk with Toby after I got back. I will never look at a big dog the same I can tell you that for sure. I love animals and hate to be afraid of anything so this is something I have to work through. That was me trying to get my head right. It didn't work.

My wife and are are pleased to read your getting better:thumbup:... I am sure this fella did not mean you the harm inflicted. Sometimes their like us, not aware of our own strength and miss our mark from time to time.

Your not alone in bad experiences with larger dogs...

My Mother used to train German Sheperd's for a Sheriffs Dept... So "Big" dogs never worried me much. One day I was goofing off and playing with a few of my "Favorites" and slipped on the dirt... Hit the ground of course... I learned that day the the "Dog" instinct cannot be trained away. As I hit the dirt, the "Alpha" of the group charged me from across the yard... My mom yelling "Get up get up!"... I remember wondering.. "What is she all excited about, I am playing with the dogs?"

Well I still have the scar from that Alpha dog. He grabbed my leg and the rest of the dogs came flying in to join in on what I know now was a "Pack" attack. Thankfully there had been some smart folks close by and they ripped me from the now pack of about 6-7 Sheperd's.

That was an experience I will never forget. Sadly I ruined the ability for the dogs to be off leashes after that. They closed the dog run to no more than two dogs at a time for years after that.nojoke

Of course there is more to it, age, level and type of training. These guys had not yet received any "Aggressive" training. They could still go home and be a family dog for anyone. This was pure "Animal" instinct according to the trainers...

 

[NancysToy]

Glad to hear you are starting to heal. Any bone injury is exceedingly painful. I was amazed to see you smiling so much in Chicago. You are one tough cookie! We were going to check up on you before we left for Mid-Ohio. Thanks for letting us all know, first. You are posting more often now, so typing must feel better. Keep up the good work! :clap:

 

[Firefly]

My wife and are are pleased to read your getting better:thumbup:... I am sure this fella did not mean you the harm inflicted. Sometimes their like us, not aware of our own strength and miss our mark from time to time.

Your not alone in bad experiences with larger dogs...

My Mother used to train German Sheperd's for a Sheriffs Dept... So "Big" dogs never worried me much. One day I was goofing off and playing with a few of my "Favorites" and slipped on the dirt... Hit the ground of course... I learned that day the the "Dog" instinct cannot be trained away. As I hit the dirt, the "Alpha" of the group charged me from across the yard... My mom yelling "Get up get up!"... I remember wondering.. "What is she all excited about, I am playing with the dogs?"

Well I still have the scar from that Alpha dog. He grabbed my leg and the rest of the dogs came flying in to join in on what I know now was a "Pack" attack. Thankfully there had been some smart folks close by and they ripped me from the now pack of about 6-7 Sheperd's.

That was an experience I will never forget. Sadly I ruined the ability for the dogs to be off leashes after that. They closed the dog run to no more than two dogs at a time for years after that.nojoke

Of course there is more to it, age, level and type of training. These guys had not yet received any "Aggressive" training. They could still go home and be a family dog for anyone. This was pure "Animal" instinct according to the trainers...

Sorry you got attacked-- and glad you came out mostly good....:thumbup:

But.....
A properly socialized dog won't behave like that -- regardless of whether it's in a 'pack' or not. The dog had a loose screw and/or improper training - simple as that. The 'Alpha' theory purported by those trainers is misunderstood. Any dog that would attack someone just for falling down doesn't have the temperament to be a family dog... let alone a Police dog.

German Shepherds and Rottweilers are fantastic family dogs - as long as they're wired correctly from the factory and have had proper training. Someone skilled in temperament testing can determine such things.

Worst dog bite I ever had was from a Pomeranian--- nojoke

 

[IWN2RYD]

Sorry you got attacked-- and glad you came out mostly good....:thumbup:

But.....
A properly socialized dog won't behave like that --

Worst dog bite I ever had was from a Pomeranian--- nojoke

OK :dontknow: sounds good to me... But that same training center is doing quite well 30 years later... I have seen properly socialized people do even worse things. I am no expert by a long shot. So I just listen and go from there :thumbup: I think... Think here!!!... That the dog run was part of the socialization... And yes... That particular Shepard did not make it through the training, and he found a wonderful home and lived to 16 years...

Like I said.. There is much more to it, and this is not the place to write a four page essay on it. Fact... The "Pack" instinct is real. And in some situations no amount of training will stop things from happening. This instinct is what allows us Humans to be that "Alpha".. Anyways... 514,000 of different links with their own thoughts on it... (Link) :thumbup:

I should have kept it to myself. pps:

 

[BumbleBee]

Gee thanks, now my stomach hurts

I am really glad to hear that you are doing much better,
wishing you a fast recovery :2thumbs:

 

[Firefly]

OK :dontknow: sounds good to me... But that same training center is doing quite well 30 years later... I have seen properly socialized people do even worse things. I am no expert by a long shot. So I just listen and go from there :thumbup: I think... Think here!!!... That the dog run was part of the socialization... And yes... That particular Shepard did not make it through the training, and he found a wonderful home and lived to 16 years...

Like I said.. There is much more to it, and this is not the place to write a four page essay on it. Fact... The "Pack" instinct is real. And in some situations no amount of training will stop things from happening. This instinct is what allows us Humans to be that "Alpha".. Anyways... 514,000 of different links with their own thoughts on it... (Link) :thumbup:

I should have kept it to myself. pps:

No problem--- just slightly differing opinions....

The 'Pack' instinct certainly is real --- just very, very misunderstood (people watch Wild Kingdom and assume domesticated dogs will act like wild packs).

Now back to the regularly scheduled programming.... :doorag:

 

[pjp623]

:clap: Glad to hear that you're on the mend. I've had a couple smashed pretty badly in car doors and a couple dislocated by a horse, but never anything bitten off--I do feel your pain--let's hope that it continues in the right direction.

 

[Lamonster]

I just sent this link to BajaRon. He use to train police dogs for the San Diego PD and other departments and I'm sure he has some good insight as to what makes a dog bite unprovoked. :doorag:

 

[BajaRon]

I just sent this link to BajaRon. He use to train police dogs for the San Diego PD and other departments and I'm sure he has some good insight as to what makes a dog bite unprovoked. :doorag:

Thanks Lamont, you're sure throwing my bacon on the fire with this one!

First, I am very glad that you've had no infection and the finger is healing. Cosmetics can be improved later if you want, but the most important thing is the initial healing.

I can throw my 2 cents in here but I’m not sure it will help. Talking dog behavior, training methods, particular breed value, or even what a dog should be trained to do is like getting into a discussion about oil brands x 10!

Fearful dogs are the most likely to bite. I think this is what Lamont ran into.

Unstable, unpredictable and lacking basic trust, a fearful dog does not have the foundation for a good temperament. In a familiar environment this kind of dog can appear to family members as loving, protective, and a good pet. But when something new is introduced, you’ve got problems.

A stable dog will accept most any change that its owner accepts. A stanger to the dog comes to visit, if the owner is happy and accepts them into the home a good tempermented dog will do the same. No problems.

An unstable dog is not prepared to accept any change at all regardless of how his owner reacts. You may gain a few brownie points because the owner happily lets you in but that's about it. To this dog change is always an added stress increasing chances for a problem. This kind of dog does not become unstable; its natural instability is simply exposed by change.

Owners many times mistake this dog’s self preservation instinct as a protective response based on care for family members. This is a big mistake which usually gets the innocent, unsuspecting person in trouble.

That is why, without threatening the family in any way, Lamont got bit. My guess is the dog was fearful and uncomfortable with Lamont the whole time. Though it tolerated Lamont the dog had a high anxiety level and it didn’t take much to push it over the edge.

If this dog were brought to me I would not train it. I doubt that it could be trained now, if it was ever capable of it. It is more likely that this dog will become increasingly fearful and more dangerous to the point where it may attack family members.

As much as I love animals and dogs in particular, there comes a time when liability is beyond reason. It is a shame but this animal must be put down.

As far as a group of dogs at a training facility going after a person simply because they fell down, well, something is definitely wrong there. You'd be better off working with Killer Whales than that bunch of dogs.

Just my 2 cents worth and overpriced at that!

 

[MoonChaser213]

I can't believe you rode on to Chicago after that amputation. You must be one tough biker :doorag: Sending a healing ray:

 

[Firefly]

Well said Ron.

I've been fortunate to have great training facilities nearby that covered so many things I never thought of when I first started training. During socialization they would have all kinds of people visit you and your dog. People in wheelchairs, on crutches, with a goofy mask on, various hats, hippies, Halloween parties, etc. --- all to expose you and your dog to varying people and situations.

Normal dogs can 'read' the comfort level of their owner.

Ones with factory flaws---- not so much.

 

[groundeffect]

Lamont, I didn't know about the situation until I read this thread. I am very happy to hear it is starting to heal and that is being well tended to.

You'll be healed up and typing again like new, soon!

Good luck and here is to a speedy and healthy healing process.:thumbup: