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Spyder decisions - any suggestions on what to buy as my first Spyder?

No Ryker, doesn’t that have same engine as in first spyders? Which I thought was not a good idea. Would prefer shifting. should add I ride a lot of snowmobiles, very aggressively, was kinda of thinking spyder would be a bit like a snowmobile especially the newer rider forward sleds. In essence if I could ride snowmobile year round I’d be in heaven. Southern Mn is a little tough to do that
In no way does the Ryker borrow anything from the original V-Twin Spyders. Though that is a great engine in its own right. The Ryker 900 is a downsized 1330 3 cylinder engine. The 600 just drops a cylinder making it a twin. The Ryker is a great ride. Quick, agile, and gobbs of fun. But it is very limited in what it works well for.

Basic geometry suggests the F3 for mostly 1-up riding and the RT for 2-up riding. There are basically 3 phases of the Spyder. 2008-2012, 2013-2019, and 2020 to current production. The 2013 RT is an outlier as are the 2013-2015 RS, RSS, & ST.
 
I would consider the bit you state you are a very aggressive rider.

No Spyder is going to be as fast as any decent performance motorcycle. It's like 800 or 900 lbs, plus rider, being pushed along by a 1330 cc high torque engine, making 115 bhp on a good day. Even with performance exhausts and air filters, the engine is largely limited by valve size, cam timing and the fact it is a long stroke motor. To make serious power would require extreme engine internal modifications or perhaps turbo charging if compression was lowered.

I would say performance is on par with a decent performance car, not a super car, not a hyper car, but a middle of the road sports car or sports sedan.

It will pull quite keenly off the line, but it's not going to be anything like even a 600 cc sport bike. It's just too heavy. I've accelerated on on ramps with a 600 cc sport bike and it was just in another league altogether.

As for top speed, they mainly like to cruise at 70 to 75 mph. Yes, you can go faster, but they aren't really comfortable at high speeds. They may look aerodynamic but they aren't. It's like pushing a garden shed along, sideways.

With better shocks and improved sway bars they will corner quite well, but the reality is, when the bike senses you are nearing the limits, the electronic systems, often called the nanny, will cut in and bring you back down to earth. That may not be your limits, but it will be what the bike thinks the limits are. You won't be drifting and power sliding, it just won't let you do that to any great extent without going into limp mode.

The F3S models will be faster than the RT LTD or Sea to sky models it is true, but if you are looking for a sports tourer like a BMW R1300RT or RS, or any of the Japanese sport touring bikes built on a de-tuned sport bike engine, it's just not happening.

I came off a 2014 Triumph Trophy 1215 TTSE. It would cruise all day at way in excess of triple digit speeds and haul two up with luggage on freeways and highways at alarming speeds. And that, compared with other sports touring bikes was only like 160 bhp. I had a BMW K1300GT which was 180 bhp and that was even faster. The Spyder is not that kind of machine.

No Spyder is going to perform like a large sports touring motorcycle. In fact, riding them like that is just not possible, even with an F3S. If that is your expectation, I think you are going to be very disappointed. These are different machines, meant for a whole different way of riding. They'll cover long distances no problem, but if you are cruising at 90+ mph, the thing isn't going to feel very happy doing it, neither engine revs wise, or stability wise.

If it is truly what you want and your expectations have been reset, I would recommend as new a machine as possible. They made constant minor improvements. In fact 2024 and later bikes are largely the same and have more modern electronics from a rider display perspective. Note, many dealers will not work on Spyders that exceed 10 years old, so the newer the better. If you think you are going to do all the work yourself, that's fine, but there are some things that require the dealer and their BUDS electronics systems to set up and configure.

I'm not trying to put you off, but I just want you to understand that these are not high performance machines in the motorcycle sense.
 
I'm a new Spyder owner so take this for what it's worth. I have a 2015 F3S and it seems to run best at 85mph on the highway. It's smoother and still has enough power to pass at that speed. I've not ridden it at that speed for more than 5 miles at a time due to traffic or getting ticketed though. I also come from a performance bike background and 67 yo this bike is just quick enough to keep me happy. Twisty roads are NOT as much fun as a sportbike at all. I'm still learning on this thing too.
 
I just did a quick look at the 1330 engine specs. The peak torque is at 5000 rpm which is why it feels like it will still pull hard at 85 mph, peak hp is at 7200 rpm. It's an over square bore and stroke too.
 
As to riding the twistiest, I’ve found that the more I engage with the bike the better it is. As I was advised here, lean well forward and into the curve, pulling on the inside bar as you scotch against the outside peg. This can be quite a work out on tight roads but I find it to be a blast.

Sarah
 
I had 1984 and 1991 Honda Preludes, and they felt like million dollar sports cars. Then I went around the same corner I had fun on the the 1991 Prelude in my 2001 RAM 4x4 at the same speed and realized the Preludes just felt good in the twisties like the Spyder does when one is have fun. And that is all that matters, along with going Vroom Vroom on freeway on ramps! Twist the throttle in the right gear and the Spyder pulls hard, my twin turbo F150 little 2.7L V-6(325HP/400 lb ft) feels the same way. Both have similar 0-60 times.
 
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Clearly, we are a very mixed bag of riders here. My personal experience on the '20 RT is that it/I do very well keeping up with my sport-touring BMW crazy friends in the twisties and on the slab. But when they sprint off a corner the RT can't compete. The F3 should be able to do even better.

(BTW, Spyders can and do drift without the nanny butting in if set up properly once you learn the technique.)
 
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