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Any experience or ideas on Increasing Ground Clearance on the Canyon Models?

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I have been driving Jeeps and Motorcycles over 50 years. A important factor is ground clearance and plating to slide over obstacles. Has anyone with experience and letters behind their opinion come up with more ground clearance and protection with alternatives for more ground clearance and skid plates for Can Am Spyder Canyon models. I have driven on roads that have been rated a 4 on a 4 point system with a Jeep and motorcycle ( 2 wheels) but just looking how far can we stretch the Canyon with good engineering. If I am driving on a graded roads and have a severe rain fall and wash outs how can the experts improve my ride for safe travel.
 
I have been driving Jeeps and Motorcycles over 50 years. A important factor is ground clearance and plating to slide over obstacles. Has anyone with experience and letters behind their opinion come up with more ground clearance and protection with alternatives for more ground clearance and skid plates for Can Am Spyder Canyon models. I have driven on roads that have been rated a 4 on a 4 point system with a Jeep and motorcycle ( 2 wheels) but just looking how far can we stretch the Canyon with good engineering. If I am driving on a graded roads and have a severe rain fall and wash outs how can the experts improve my ride for safe travel.
"Take the Detour"
 
Good advice, but sometimes I have been in places where that would not work, I would need a tow point to get over an obstacle safely. Driving with a small group of like minded individuals always helps. Driving on one side of a mountain range, it could be sunny and nice, while on the other side, you have a thunderstorm creating an obstacle. I always travel with tools, a tire repair kit, a first aid kit, a winch, and a compressor in my Jeep that has a GMR radio.

My Redrock has limited space and riders who travel on graded gravel roads and paved roads. Having a first aid kit, tire repair kit, small compressor, GAIA route (which works off satellite on my iPhone), and a tow line/strap.

Traveling always brings surprises, fifty years ago my CJ7 found a puddle where water was up to the hood on a forest road in Price County, WI. We backed out and went another way, so thanks for the advice. We are just starting the stories on the Redrock.
 
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All road conditions are different. Weather, time of year, and maintenance of graded gravel roads. There are some excellent articles written for riders by professionals (DirtBike, etc) on how the Can Am Spyder Canyon is NOT an OHV vehicle. Driving on maintained roads is what we are looking for from experienced mature riders. The adventure is just beginning. If you do not understand, write 100 times "The Can Am Spyder Canyon is not a OHV vehicle."
Enjoy your adventure!
 
A set of 33" tires, enable 3x3 drive train with a locker in front, add a winch and recovery gear. Then send it!
I would add that we had 3 wheel Honda ATC 90's back in the 70's and that did great in sand. However, out on trails, if you failed to make a hill you REALLY had one's hands full getting it back down to level ground. I envision the Canyon have similar, but four or five time worse, issues...
 
You bought the wrong machine. If you really want to go off road, buy a ride that's actually made for that purpose. Like @Snoking1127 said, if you get that thing sideways on a hill, you'll have your hands full for sure.
 
We are up to 3 responses, you have 97 more times. The Can Am Spyder is not an off road machine, as written by several professionals, Can Am, and myself. We are on the second year of the Canyon model and looking for experienced riders comments and not inexperienced opinions. Your opinion is cherished but looking for experienced Canyon riders experience. Let the adventure continue.
 
The only way you're going to get more ground clearance is taller tires! Then you have to fit them under your fenders, which is going to be a challenge at best. You're on a rear wheeled drive platform that is not going to be a rock climber per se, and like you already know from all of your years of off trail, you are going to have to pick your way up and over the bad spots to not high center or stave up things down under that don't take kindly to hard blows. I say good luck in your adventures and keep the rubber side down!!! This is not coming from a Canyon Professional, just a old dub that's been there and done that!!! Good Luck!
 
Thank you for response. The number of machines (Canyons) sold, used, and their owner's needs will determine future developments. I have only a few years experience, but since 1967 and working at Harley’s Capital Drive Plant for two summers while going to college, motorcycles (Can Am Spyder 2007) have come a long ways. During that time, driving graded roads is one of the most exciting adventures viewing deer, elk, moose, wolves, and bear. Traveling from the East coast to the West, you never know what you will see, like 'gators in Florida. The Can Am Spyder Canyon economically (MPG) provides the adventure. The sky is not falling by driving graded gravel roads, and it is not OHV-ing.
 
Research on ground clearance for other motorcycles adventure models (Honda, BMW, Harley, and Ducati) vary from 6.9”-8.6”. Two other methods of lift for a motorcycle are a suspension lift or a lift kit. The other, as mentioned earlier, is tires.

I read in an earlier post how a member raised his Cam Am Spyder with a spacer on his suspension.

Needs for riders and future developments are determined by user needs and profit. There are thousands of miles of graded roads to be discovered out there.

The last couple of weeks, the ice has been thick enough that they are driving cars, trucks, snowmobiles, and motorcycles on the lake. If you know where to drive, no problems. Driving on lake ice and fishing is no longer one of my passions. When the weather is warmer with the salt on the roads gone, I will be driving my Canyon Redrock on all roads for discovery. We are starting year 2.
 
LOL, I can just imagine there's an overly large water bar on some steep lonely USFS road out there just waiting for your arrival. Be careful out there.
 
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I read in an earlier post how a member raised his Cam Am Spyder with a spacer on his suspension.

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You might want to be careful with using spacers &/or varying the static ride height of your Spyder/Canyon too much, regardless of the way you do it, but this one ^ especially! :oops:

Because the A-arms on our Spyders (& I believe, also the Canyon's) are of a fixed length with non-adjustable mounting points, using spacers or installing shock/coil assemblies with anything but a very minor change in length to increase/decrease the ground clearance will likely mess with the wheel and steering alignment... :rolleyes:

Lifting (or lowering) the ride height anything much more than a few mms/a quarter of an inch or so will change the Camber angle on the front wheels somewhat; and unless the steering links are adjusted to compensate for the change in height, it will also change the toe-in/out! There's no easy way of correcting Camber angle on these things; and once you've got dodgy Camber angles, even if you correct the toe-in/out at static ride height, those dodgy camber angles will likely induce rapid/uneven tire wear and, to put it mildly, 'somewhat less than ideal' steering responses when turning and maybe even when (trying!) to ride in a straight line on a level super slab!! 😖

Just Sayin' - vary the ride height on your Spyder/Canyon too much at your own risk - and the risk of everyone using the roads around you! :cautious:
 
Here is a review of the Red Rock.

I snowmobiled for years and the machines got bigger and heavier, however they all had a rear left bar on the back that gave a lift point were you or you and your buddies could lift and move the rear around when stuck. That appears to be an aftermarket opportunity for the Canyon.

We also made up about 4 foot poly ropes with a S hook on one end and wooden t-handle on the other. This allow for hooking in to a ski and stand up straight to pull on it with more force than went bent down.
 
Peter, great video. Yes the Canyon is not a Spyder. Yes the Canyon is not a true Adventure Bike.
Driving gravel roads in LaPaz and Mojave Counties AZ for almost 20 years after a heavy rain in certain spots you will be swept away in or on any vehicle.

Can Am or other suppliers need to listen carefully and supply what we need. Some are already doing so from other web sites for Canyon for highway use.

The one thing that is needed is for rough graded gravel road travel out of its normal “condition “.
Additional ground clearance at a walking speed or a stronger skid plate ( 1/4” Aluminum).

Also from Can Am how deep of a puddle can I drive through.

My Canyon already exceeds my expectations. Additional mods from smarter people will help in my travels, Thank you
 
The unfortunate fact in this conversation is that a trike is not a good platform for traversing low traction or off pavement surfaces. For other than a snowmobile, the old saying 'You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear' comes to mind. Though that has not kept people from trying. So we have to start here or dedicate ourselves to ignoring reality.

Still, as has been pointed out, anything can be improved upon. Though it comes down to how much improvement at what cost, Everything in life is a tradeoff.

As has been discussed, even a well maintained gravel or dirt road can deteriorate quickly at some point during the 'Adventure'. And a choice has to be made. Attempt it, or turn around. My guess is that the OP is an 'Attempter'. Nothing wrong with this, though there are always consequences. Especially for failure. Don't ask me how I know this.

My unlettered opinion is that front wheel drive is the 1st order of business in this universe because you usually can't use speed to get you past bad road conditions. Ground clearance is fine. But I think the greatest and most often encountered deficiency is going to be lack of traction. Even if you do have the needed ground clearance.

Ground clearance increases center of gravity and instability. This is easier to deal with on 2 wheels. Larger diameter tires, of any significance, will create other issues. Especially at the rear. We all know that tread designed for off pavement can make potentially unsafe concessions for pavement traction.

Skid plates have advantages if designed properly. But they are going to reduce ground clearance. Again, in my unlettered opinion, you are taking your Canyon to places that it isn't designed to go if you need substantial underbelly protection.

Most vehicles are capable of going beyond (some well beyond) their intended purpose. How far depends on several factors. A major one being the operator. I wish everyone pushing a Canyon beyond its design limits the best of luck.

 
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Everyone has an opinion. Great video on a snowmobile conversion. The guy is a great mechanic and fabricator. Before Dirt Bike wrote a review on the Can Am Spyder Canyon they had to write 100 times the Canyon is not a OHV. We are now at 95 times, some people are slower learners.

Not every vehicle is for everyone. I have driven all road vehicles my whole life. It is not uncommon for all road enthusiasts to spend 50 to 100 percent more on upgrades from certified people. Please review history on boats, motorcycles and all road vehicles. People spend a lot of money on their hobby’s.

By the way, motorcyclists are riding on the ice today in front of my house here in Sturgeon Bay, WI. Not for me but fun to watch.
 
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