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Any idea why my Rear Shock Bolt bends in the middle?

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Well, I increased the spring tension by 6 turns, it still bottoms out on very rough surface, as in wash board gravel roads. Marcus's instructions say if you do more than 4 turns you may need a different spring, contact him. Well that is no longer an option. So for now, I am putting back on the stock spring, then will look to see if there is any info on his spring, I'm sure he purchased them from a supplier. The stock spring is bigger and 2 stage. What a difference in these two springs, no wonder his shock bottoms out.
 
That is a very short spring. Inspect the spring and it should have some numbers and manufacturer identification on it. Most quality springs have the rate, length, and diameter displayed somewhere on the spring. You don't have to stick with the length. I would be extremely tempted to go with a longer spring. You certainly have the shock body to accomodate it. The shorter the spring, the harsher the ride. A longer spring will give you a nicer ride. A longer spring will require a relatively higher spring rate. But if you are bottoming out, you should up the spring rate anyway.

I would remove the spring first before purchasing another one. This way you can test the shock to see if it is still servicable. No use buying a new spring for a bad shock.

You have discovered the root of your problem. The first step towards success!
 
Very good! That's an Eibach spring. They make some of the best springs in the industry. Here is what these numbers mean.

Linear Main Spring - Dia. 2.25 in | Len: 6.00 in | Rate: 500 lbs/in​


Linear simply means it is a single rate spring. The OEM spring is progressive (weaker in the tight coils getting stronger in the more spaced out coils). As with everything, there are advantages and disadvantages with each.

With a diameter of 2.25 inches you have all the information needed to get a ballpark idea of where you need to go with this.

Again, check the shock itself to see if it is worthy of a new spring rate before you do anything more.
 
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Thanks Again Ron, I think the shock is fine. I have removed the spring, and the shock is fully extended and there is no way I can shove it. I'm impressed that there is even a roller bearing assembly on each end of the spring, as shown in the picture. I will grease these back up as I have cleaned them off. Waiting to hear opinions of what spring to replace this with. Sounds like longer for sure.

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Thanks Again Ron, I think the shock is fine. I have removed the spring, and the shock is fully extended and there is no way I can shove it. I'm impressed that there is even a roller bearing assembly on each end of the spring, as shown in the picture. I will grease these back up as I have cleaned them off. Waiting to hear opinions of what spring to replace this with. Sounds like longer for sure.

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I would talk to Eibach and get their professional opinion as to where you need to go from here. Glad to hear that the shock is in good condition.
 
Are you able to adjust the damping remotely from the outside of that shock? I still think the damping in that shock is not set right for you! Just my 2 cents! Springs help carry the load and gives you ride height the damping and pressure in the shock gives you the squash and restriction from bottoming out! That's my way of thinking, correct me if I am wrong Ron!
 
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That would be correct about the spring. The Shock is a little bit different. I would need to carefully look over the shock. But I will defer this to Baja Ron.

Next Question please. (y)
 
I want to be clear that I do not consider myself a 'Shock Expert', because I am not. I'm just knowledgable enough to be dangerous! If I can point you in the right direction, then I feel that I've done good here.

I belieive that this is your shock (Pictured). It has a dampening dial (Indicated). And should have markings to tell you + or - direction with clicks to give you orientation. I was not able to find the total number of clicks available, so I would turn it in the (-) direction and count the clicks to stop. Then do the same in the (+) direction to stop. Do not force it in either direction. You will feel added resistance at the stop, so quit when you get there. That will give you the total spread number of clicks (adjustment). This will tell you where you were on the full scale with the origianl setting.

I agree with Mikey and Little Blue that increasing the dampening may be enough. Especially if you were sitting at the lower end of the scale. You would need to experiment with this setting combined with the zip tie application. You might be able to get away without changing springs. Though for the ease and price, it might be an interesting experience to do so.

I hope Eibach responds with suggestions. That will be interesting. They may be reluctant to go to a longer spring, simply wanting to stay with the original design. Kind of a CYA thing. Who knows. Hopefully, that shoe drops soon.

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I know everyone is trying to be helpful, but SOOOOO much misinformation here! I'm all about tech and learning, so lets put these misnomers to rest so that it won't keep getting regurgitated in our echo Spyder chamber?

The length of the spring has zero effect on the ride or rate. Its already been pointed out that the installed spring is a linear rate, so unless it is too long and binding at full compression OR unloading and unseating at full droop....That isn't your issue. There is no difference in the rate between a longer/shorter spring. The block height of your installed spring is 2.46" so you have 3.54" of available compression travel before it binds. IF your total shock stroke is only 2.5", that leaves room for 1.04" of preload, but I wouldn't push it that far......... Just do the math to see IF the spring is binding. IF the spring has enough travel in the shorter configuration, it's lighter and therefore marginally cheaper/better overall?

To expand on the spring rate thing..........It is common practice in the off road world to run springs WAY over length so that they can install a lighter spring rate, dial in A LOT of preload. This nets the desired vehicle ride height, a lower ride frequency, slower ramp up of spring rate, while stuffing the wheel quicker into a hole (due to higher wheel rate at droop) after a bump event so that the tire maintains traction to control the vehicle and keep putting power down....Think miles of 3' deep whoops where the tires just move up/down nonstop. The downside is this can introduce unwanted body roll,acceleration squat, and braking dive. This is similar in theory to how Baja Ron's JRIs are configured? I'd quote the numbers between JRI/Baja Ron's and Elka for comparison, but the numbers are no longer shared for the JRi's......... From memory, JRi's have a much lighter rate than Elka, but this makes sense when Ron is setting them up with his complementing sway bars kits for a more compliant ride and controlled roll. Now keep in mind I HAVE NOT sampled Ron's shocks, but we do have his "Ultra Bar" on the RT.......So I guess it speculative, but I have 35 years in the suspension industry and can imagine the scenario.....Because of the bar, I opted to drop one front spring rate from what Elka supplied.

As far as the actual rate is concerned, I would guess that a 500# would be in the ballpark considering you don't have the aux bag......I don't own an F3, but IF the motion ratio of the rear suspension is the same as the RT (mounting points and swing arm length), you are right where I would think is good. I felt a 475# resulted in a ride frequency that was too low for our taste even with the air bag active. I swapped it to a 600# and it's MUCH better for the heavier RT that we run loaded most of the time, but possibly a little too "sporty" for one up riding if you want a marshmallow ride like stock.....It's awesome for traveling with a light load or even 2 up once the bag compensates. Eibach probably isn't going to help you decide.....They don't offer off the shelf Spyder applications.

What you really need to do is put a new bolt, reinstall, and take static and rider sag measurements.......Lots of tutorials on the net. Then you will have an idea of what you need. Yours is easy without dealing with the air bag.

Can you post up a pic of the lower shock mounting hardware? The OEM shock had one full length steel sleeve with plastic spacers over the top on each side to keep it centered sandwiched into the swingarm mount? If Sharcus just supplied some spacer to stack the width, this is why your bolt is bending. FYI......You could never bend upward that bolt by jacking under it unless the bike weighed 1000's of lbs.

You might also want to add an outer shock protector sleeve before you reinstall to keep the grit from blasting the shaft and force feeding the seal pack. Cheap insurance on ScAmazon.

Anyway that was a lot..........
 
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Thanks CrazyCooter, for all the info. Yes Marcus put two sleeves in the kit, so there is not a one piece solid sleeve like stock. Here is the reply back from Eibacht.

Unfortunately we are unable to specify a spring rate as we have no data on your Can Am, but the spring you have is a 500 lb/in spring rate. You may have to buy a couple spring rates and see what works best for you. You probably need at least a 10% increase in spring rate, possibly more. We do have 550's, 575's and 600's in stock and the part numbers are listed below and they are $80 each. The 550 would be a 10% increase in rate, the 575 would be a 15% increase in spring rate and the 600 would be a 20% increase in spring rate.



0600.225.0550

0600.225.0575

0600.225.0600


- Team Eibach

The following is from the manual included, by Marcus.

DAMPING ADJUSTER: Allows "stiffer or Softer ride". 72 clicks of total adjustment. Set out at 45 clicks from the stiffest setting

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