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pitzerwm
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When I bought my first Cadillac, in 74 a used 67 Eldorado ($1800), beautiful by the way, my neighbor quit talking to be because of it. The month before he had bought a Mercury Montiego brand new for $2900. Shortly, after that a guy that I knew was giving me crap about owning a Cadillac, I asked him "how many kids do you have", he said "3". I said "think about this if you had one less kid, you could buy a new Cadillac every other year". He thought about that a minute and just turned and walked away.
You are so right about Capitalism:
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery.-- Winston Churchill He also said when you keep taxing the rich, eventually you run out of rich people.
Progressives are always bitching about our 1%ers having all of the money. AND not paying their fair share which must be somewhere north of 75% because that is what the 1% pay now. What they don't have a clue about is that for the most part to be one of our 1% you need to have brains and balls, even if you inherit you need brains to hang on to it. AND Here you always have the opportunity to join the 1%.
In Socialism they also have the 1%ers, They don't pay their fair share either, but to be in their 1% you need guns and there is no opportunity for you and me to be one of them.
You are so right about Capitalism:
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery.-- Winston Churchill He also said when you keep taxing the rich, eventually you run out of rich people.
Progressives are always bitching about our 1%ers having all of the money. AND not paying their fair share which must be somewhere north of 75% because that is what the 1% pay now. What they don't have a clue about is that for the most part to be one of our 1% you need to have brains and balls, even if you inherit you need brains to hang on to it. AND Here you always have the opportunity to join the 1%.
In Socialism they also have the 1%ers, They don't pay their fair share either, but to be in their 1% you need guns and there is no opportunity for you and me to be one of them.
ARtraveler
R.I.P. Dwayne
Glad that I can still contribute to the economy from time to time. :thumbup:
JerryB
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Hi Ron,
Re: Welfare is modern day slavery.
It can be but it need not be.
In 1945 I was standing next to my 67 yr old grandfather when he fell over dead of a heart attack. My grandmother lived ( very modestly ) for another 22 yrs on welfare provided by the state of Washington. When she died, the state took her estate ( only a very small house in a very small town ) as repayment.
Would you deny her welfare?
Jerry Baumchen
PS) I do not believe in welfare as a career choice.
Re: Welfare is modern day slavery.
It can be but it need not be.
In 1945 I was standing next to my 67 yr old grandfather when he fell over dead of a heart attack. My grandmother lived ( very modestly ) for another 22 yrs on welfare provided by the state of Washington. When she died, the state took her estate ( only a very small house in a very small town ) as repayment.
Would you deny her welfare?
Jerry Baumchen
PS) I do not believe in welfare as a career choice.
Bob Denman
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71 years ago, was a different time. Families would often step in to help out their own...
I agree that nobody's Grandmother should be left alone in the dark.
But I abhor the idea of paying for multiple generations of people that decide to make the system their "career choice".
Our Town used to have a "Hardship Clerk".
(This is about ninety years ago...)
The Clerk seemed to know everybody's business: who was on hard times, who was sick, or needed some help around their farm...
They would then contact the local Churches to organize fundraisers, or even members of the community, who might be in a position to offer at least a temporary job.
Nobody starved, everybody was looked after, and everybody remained a valuable contributing member of the Town! :thumbup:
vided
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JerryB
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Hi Bob,
Re: But I abhor the idea of paying for multiple generations of people that decide to make the system their "career choice".
I could not agree more; notice my PS at the end of my post.
However, a blanket statement that 'welfare is modern day slavery' is all to encompassing to be realistic.
Automation has reduced the jobs available for what has been known as 'the middle class'; and those jobs that have been automated out, will never come back. And automation will continue to eliminate those types of jobs.
Jerry Baumchen
PS) Actually, as I think about, why should there be insurance agents? I use USAA; I do everything via phone directly with them.
That may not be good news to you, but things are changing. How often you buy off of the internet vs going to a bricks & mortar store?
These changes are the things that effect our economy.
Re: But I abhor the idea of paying for multiple generations of people that decide to make the system their "career choice".
I could not agree more; notice my PS at the end of my post.
However, a blanket statement that 'welfare is modern day slavery' is all to encompassing to be realistic.
Automation has reduced the jobs available for what has been known as 'the middle class'; and those jobs that have been automated out, will never come back. And automation will continue to eliminate those types of jobs.
Jerry Baumchen
PS) Actually, as I think about, why should there be insurance agents? I use USAA; I do everything via phone directly with them.
That may not be good news to you, but things are changing. How often you buy off of the internet vs going to a bricks & mortar store?
These changes are the things that effect our economy.
Bob Denman
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Do you think that you're telling me something that I haven't already lost sleep over? My clients know that when they call me (Most of them have my home phone number), or stop by my house: we're more than happy to:
Answer any question asked
Take an insurance claim report
Accept a premium payment, and call it in to the appropriate company
We'll also take the time to speak "off the record", with a client who has an... ahem... unreported driver in their household, and offer the best advice for them about resolving such conflicts.
(Try calling or emailing one of the direct sellers about that sort of thing. Would you like to guess what happens?)
I've also made plans for when my job is "phased out". :yikes: Unlike the cattle being driven to slaughter, by the confines of a welfare system: we'll be just fine... :thumbup:
Cruzr Joe
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Welfare is designed for people like your Grandmother that needed it, not for Career Welfarers and their family
Cruzr Joe
vided
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My clients know that when they call me (Most of them have my home phone number), or stop by my house: we're more than happy to:
Answer any question asked
Take an insurance claim report
Accept a premium payment, and call it in to the appropriate company
We'll also take the time to speak "off the record", with a client who has an... ahem... unreported driver in their household, and offer the best advice for them about resolving such conflicts.
(Try calling or emailing one of the direct sellers about that sort of thing. Would you like to guess what happens?)
I've also made plans for when my job is "phased out". :yikes: Unlike the cattle being driven to slaughter, by the confines of a welfare system: we'll be just fine... :thumbup:
I agree with you completely.
When I call my agent I speak to the same English speaking person all the time.
we're on first name basis, there's a little chitchat, and I get my answer or he calls me back.
i also shop at the local hardware store rather then that big orange store
JerryB
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Hi Bob,
Re: I've also made plans for when my job is "phased out".
I was not trying to 'pick on you' with my post. And I can empathize with you regarding your career situation.
However, what I was trying to get across to people is that, as Dylan sings, 'Times, they are a'changin'.
When people say 'We need to turn this country around' or 'We need to go back to -------.'
Well, that simply is not going to happen.
In the history of this nation, we never once 'turned around.'
For the most part, production jobs are gone and will never return. For better or for worse, that big, bad machine has replace those workers.
Jerry Baumchen
Re: I've also made plans for when my job is "phased out".
I was not trying to 'pick on you' with my post. And I can empathize with you regarding your career situation.
However, what I was trying to get across to people is that, as Dylan sings, 'Times, they are a'changin'.
When people say 'We need to turn this country around' or 'We need to go back to -------.'
Well, that simply is not going to happen.
In the history of this nation, we never once 'turned around.'
For the most part, production jobs are gone and will never return. For better or for worse, that big, bad machine has replace those workers.
Jerry Baumchen
Bob Denman
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Joe Spyder
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"Automation has reduced the jobs available for what has been known as 'the middle class'; and those jobs that have been automated out, will never come back. And automation will continue to eliminate those types of jobs. "
I disagree with this. Middle class jobs have been eliminated because they have been shipped overseas to countries that don't have to deal with EPA, OSHA and other government regulations. Also the companies in these countries pay their employees next to nothing to maximize their profits.
I disagree with this. Middle class jobs have been eliminated because they have been shipped overseas to countries that don't have to deal with EPA, OSHA and other government regulations. Also the companies in these countries pay their employees next to nothing to maximize their profits.
JerryB
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Hi Joe,
Re: I disagree with this.
I do not disagree completely with you on why the jobs went away.
I was discusing why they will never return. Today, even the Chinese are working feverishly on automating jobs to keep them in China.
One we all probably see almost everyday is the barcode reader at the grocery store. Here in Oregon, it used to be the law that the clerk had to verbally call out the price of each item as he/she rang it up. Now, there are many, many less clerks, and they only pass the goods over the reader.
And I, almost always will use the Self Check-out readers; both at the grocery store and at Home Depot.
As Dylan sings: Times, they are a'changin'
Jerry Baumchen
Re: I disagree with this.
I do not disagree completely with you on why the jobs went away.
I was discusing why they will never return. Today, even the Chinese are working feverishly on automating jobs to keep them in China.
One we all probably see almost everyday is the barcode reader at the grocery store. Here in Oregon, it used to be the law that the clerk had to verbally call out the price of each item as he/she rang it up. Now, there are many, many less clerks, and they only pass the goods over the reader.
And I, almost always will use the Self Check-out readers; both at the grocery store and at Home Depot.
As Dylan sings: Times, they are a'changin'
Jerry Baumchen
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IdahoMtnSpyder
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Both points are valid. Add to these the capacity and longevity of machinery. How many tires do you put on a car in 100,000 miles? Quite likely one replacement set. I remember as a kid my older brother being happy his Goodyear Double Eagles lasted 16,000 miles. So how many guys aren't needed to make tires because they last so long? Think about farm equipment. A large tractor today can be built by maybe twice as many guys as a small one 60 years ago. But that tractor will farm 100 times as many acres. The net effect is far fewer workers are needed to make tractors to farm 100,000 acres. You get the picture, right?
I am of the firm opinion that in the entire world as a unit, it is physically impossible to employ every person who could be, or wants to be, employed. There aren't enough natural resources available to keep them busy, and there isn't enough use for all the products that would be produced. That's why politicians love military spending. You employ millions of people building stuff that gets blown up and not used in any way to create food, shelter, clothing, or transportation. Other workers produce enough food, shelter, clothing, and transportation to supply the needs of the military workers.
JerryB
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Hi Idaho,
Re: A large tractor today can be built by maybe twice as many guys as a small one 60 years ago.
I have never been in a John Deere factory; but on 28 Jan 86 I was in a Caterpillar factory in Peoria, IL and I would say that it took far less than twice the people to build their equipment than in years prior. They had a lot of automation being used.
Jerry Baumchen
PS) No, I am not some savant who remembers every day of the past. 28 Jan 86 was the day that the Callenger exploded, so that connects me to when I arrived at the Cat plant.
Re: A large tractor today can be built by maybe twice as many guys as a small one 60 years ago.
I have never been in a John Deere factory; but on 28 Jan 86 I was in a Caterpillar factory in Peoria, IL and I would say that it took far less than twice the people to build their equipment than in years prior. They had a lot of automation being used.
Jerry Baumchen
PS) No, I am not some savant who remembers every day of the past. 28 Jan 86 was the day that the Callenger exploded, so that connects me to when I arrived at the Cat plant.
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